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So, I'm trying to decide how and when to use this. Probably on my squat day, maybe after lifting. I'm going to start by using landmarks to try to achieve an uninterrupted pull--from the corner of the gym to the corner of the sidewalk in front of the field office. Of course, if there's a rugby game in progress, I'll be taking my life in my hands, as this will cut across the "field"! Besides, I'm not sure I want all the strong young students watching me struggle to drag this old tire across the grass.


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Andy,

I put this together:
http://strength-basics.blogspot.com/201 ... urces.html

I think you really need to just try some stuff out and see how it feels. No one has put together a Prilepin Chart of sled dragging yet. Just try a trip or two on an upper-body day as recovery leg work, or try 4-6 trips (one way being a trip) on lower body day as an accessory. Go light when you're looking for more speed, go heavy when you're replacing a barbell or dumbbell exercise and looking for more strength or hypertrophy. The time-under-tension of a long, heavy sled drag is quite long...and very brutal.


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Thanks, Peter! I've seen some of that, but not all. I'll look it over in detail this evening.


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Jungledoc wrote:
Bam--Wendler never promises that you can make 120 per year. He suggests slowing the progression when that seems right (you probably noticed that I only add 5/cycle if I make my reps). Also, there will be a point when you don't make the prescribed reps, and you keep your index weight the same for the next cycle. If you can't make the reps for 2 cycles, then you reset.

Makes perfect sense. I'm usually a little suspicious of of linear progression schemes (particularly when it comes to real estate). Trying to find the part in the 531 manual that explains when to reset or is that yours?
Starting my 3rd week and already I'm beginning to see the wisdom of adding less than 10lbs/cycle. In fact a monthly gain of 5lbs seems more than acceptable.

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Palofs are sometimes called "anti-rotation holds" or some such. Good work for your obliques without twisting your lumbar spine. You can vary them either by adding weight, or by increasing the "lock-out time", the time when your arms are extended. I hold for 6 or 8 counts of whatever music is playing at the time! Glad you found the video. Thanks, Stu.

Did 'em, keeping 'em. This week I'm going to try doing 10 reps graduating the hold from 1-10 secs. So that's first rep for 1 sec, and last rep for 10 secs -- wish me luck.


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The first cycle or two should be pretty easy. You need to set the training max low enough so that you can make the required sets pretty easily and get a few extras on the last set.

Yeah, Palofs are great.


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Ten days ago I squatted 165 for 10 reps, and thought that I only had 1 rep left "in the tank". Today I squatted the same weight for 12 reps, thinking again that I had only one left in me. So, according to my present progression plan, I added 10 pounds. At 9 reps I though I had only 1 left, but thought "what the heck, go for it" and did another rep, and again and again to 13 reps. I don't know how many I had left. To be honest, I quit out of fear at that point. I don't know what I really feel--maybe I'll break if I go too hard on squats. I haven't actually ever missed a rep, except once when I lost my balance and had to dump the bar. Why couldn't I make myself go down one more time? The worst that could have happened is that I might have had to dump the bar on the pins. I sometimes feel intimidated by the DL, but at least I go ahead and give my all to it once in a while. Why am I afraid to do the same on the squat? I don't know. Rhetorical question--I don't really expect anyone else to be able to answer. I don't think I actually know what one more in the tank feels like, because I've never felt what none in the tank feels like. Gotta find out.


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Let us know how your legs feel tomorrow. I have to try some of that high reps stuff. Yesterday I did 5 x 135, 155, 175 then 3 x 195. I followed it with 2x10x135 and I found them the hardest.


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I know you said Rhetorical but....

Take NO Xplode! Seriously.

OK, don't. I'm joking.

Anyway, "one more in the tank" can mean different things to different people. For me, I'm a technique freak so, in a squat i'll basically keep going till my technique gets horrible. I find after this point I probably have 1 or 2 "horrible" reps left in me. Either that happens or, technique is passable but the bar moved REALLY slow, with a sticking point I had to get through. In that case, I stop it there. That's from experience of failing, though. I know better now that if there was a brief pause to break through anywhere in the rep then I most likely won't get another one! (and if I do technique will be crap)

However my training partners are quite good now. If they tell me to go again, I do. They have a better view of how things moved than me and have trained with me for a while so they just "know".

However, i've been an idiot various times, and was an idiot for a good couple of years. I missed reps all the time because I trained to complete failure. For squats, after you've failed once - providing you have safety pins to catch the bar - you get over the fear. It's really not that bad..... Failing on a Box Squat when training alone is a different story, though!

The rep outs in 5-3-1 are interesting. I often turned them into "breathing squats". I'm not sure if that's what Wendler ever intended but, we got competitive.....

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Jungledoc wrote:
Gotta find out.


Seriously, why?

Your reps are going up for the same weight and your max weights are going up. Isn't that sufficient, really?


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KPj wrote:
..... Failing on a Box Squat when training alone is a different story, though!
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I've done that a few times but I never box squat outside a rack. Worse case, you can't stand up and you lower the to the pins. It's much less noisy that dropping a free squat. If I can get off of the box, I've never failed on the way up. That's different with a free squat as I have failed on the way up before. That's a lot more dramatic.


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Jungledoc wrote:
Gotta find out.


Seriously, why?

Your reps are going up for the same weight and your max weights are going up. Isn't that sufficient, really?


Well, no. I'm questioning, wondering where I'd be if I had been lifting harder for the last 2 years, wondering if I'm getting all I can out of the lift. I think I just need one session where I know I gave all I had, and then I'll have a better basis for knowing how hard I can push. With other lifts I can always tell what's left, even when I'm 3 or 4 reps away. It may be carry-over from my musician days, with a feeling for how rapidly the tempo is slowing even when it is slowing subtly.

I'm not planning to squat to failure on a regular basis--I just want to be able to know how close I am to failure so I can stop at the right time.


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And, Stu, the legs are OK this morning. I think that the squats 2/week have been a good thing.


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Okay, I sort-of get that. You don't want to know what your actual failure point is, but if you reach it, you'll know when it's coming in the future.

I hope that works. I have no idea how many reps I have left in the tank until I have roughly 0 more good ones. ;)


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Yeah, that's what I mean. You are right that making progress is the most important thing.

Also, going near a 10RM or 12RM is a lot different than a 1RM or 3RM. Each rep is a smaller part of the whole.


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Jungledoc wrote:
I'm not planning to squat to failure on a regular basis--I just want to be able to know how close I am to failure so I can stop at the right time.


I usually don't recommend it for my clients, but personally, I say why not? I do this at least once per year. As long as your using a rack and not stands, I say go for it and see what its like.


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