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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:01 am 
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There is an important discussion going on right now on Dr. Squat among several knowledgable people that members of this board may be interested.

The basic discussion is about high-carb vs low-carb and how it related to obesity control.

The common element that all seem to agree on is that it is the quality of the macronutrients that is of paramount importance. This goes back to some discussion we've had here about GI and complex carbs, etc.

http://drsquat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24023#24023

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Excellent thread. I see the hi carb-low carb debate is back. I generally like to stay out of that, for the reasons the original poster in that thread stated. They didn't state WHAT the high carbs were other than "natural carbs high in fiber". I think Bass has it right in keep it natural, but I think he's overlooking some of the good fats. Take Bass's ideass, mix with Serrano, (the author of the nutrition guidelines on this site) and apply them liberaly with Berardi's general guidelines and see what works for you.
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Charles Izzo is mostly right, except in his first post, he doesn't seem to be aware of the fact that the low carb research was actually done in an attempt to debunk it. The researches didn't get the desired results. So they said something like "Well, this proves nothing because there hasn't been any long term studies."

Haggis, knows what he's talking about for sure. He could have done just a bit better with calling people on some of the ridiculous things they said however.

Kingofthejungle doesn't seem to know $hit from shoe polish. First post he decides that eating more carbs must mean low fat. If he really is eating low fat, he is getting plenty of crap carbs, not just good ones. He also continues to support low fat in the next post, despite the fact that there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary. He goes on and on. Silly unsubstantiated claims in every post.

Marcus seems to think low carb is for the inactive. Which is quite wrong. It works better with weight lifting as does any diet. The bit about needing carbs is true for certain situations but NOT for fat loss.

Bryce has got to be the biggest idiot ever. He obviously doesn't understand that insulin is the fat storage hormone, that different macro-nutrients are digested very differently and that the calories listed ona box of food are WAY more than what makes it into your blood stream, and that there is a lot of waste. So obviously the fact that the calorie reduction needs to be applied to what is in your blood and not on the box is never going to register.

Todd Wilson just needs to understand that you don't do everything with the same diet. You use different diets for different goals.


Of course that IS a powerlifting type website. Body composition is probably not their area of expertise.


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Speaking of PL, Dr. Mauro DiPasquale is the author of the Anabolic and Metabolic diets-CKD's actually- and devised them for himself to keep him in his weight class, and used it when he took the IPF championship. So yes, low carbs can be very beneicial even in that type of environment.
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