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stuward wrote:
I'm not convinced that chlestrol causes heart disease.


Stu,

I agree. Here's an interesting article on that. http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndisea ... olest.html

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Johnny, based on what you try to eat in your list, i've 'guesstimated' the following from the pork, eggs, milk and chicken (so this excludes veg and post w/o).


Calories 2529
Protein 338g
Carbs 31g
Complex 2.8g
Sugars 28.2g
Fat 164.9g
of which Saturates 59.3g


I guess two things happened here. Rik got better at calculating fat and saturated fat.

Johnny leanred on to get other to do his work for him.

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Doing the calculations is the easy part. Having the discipline to actually follow a plan is the hard part.


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Kenny Croxdale wrote:
I guess two things happened here. Rik got better at calculating fat and saturated fat.

Johnny leanred on to get other to do his work for him.


I know it's better know the actual number. However, I think, same as my doctor told me, I should find the way to reduce my fat intake that I can do it consistently, without thinking too much of numbers. And if the lipid test result next time is better then I should continue doing it.

Now I've adjust my diet that should have saturated fat around 27g daily by change pork to chicken breast and reducing eggs (I forgot to mention that the milk in my diet is lowfat milk). And I'll take 6 caps of fishoil per day.


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If you remove saturated fats from your diet, you have to replace it with something. The O3 is great but insufficient. The only safe substitute is Monounsaturated fats. That means, olive oil, and nuts mainly. Increase your vegetables dramatically. They should be the bulk of your diet. Be careful of reducing meat to the point of being so hungry that you start reaching for bread and sugar.

I still don't think sat fats and cholesterol is the villain here but if it has to happen to keep the peace, don't let it backfire on you. A good model that even your doctors would agree on is the Mediterranean diet. Avoid the bread and pasta though.

http://advancedmediterraneandiet.com/blog/

This writer had a modification for those trying to maintain a low carb approach called the Ketogenic Mediterranean Diet.
http://advancedmediterraneandiet.com/blog/?page_id=232


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I think you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

Ask the doctor to point out peer reviewed papers backing his claim. If he says "blah blah medical school blah blah". Just tell him that argument from authority is a logical fallacy and he should know better. You would think someone with a PHD would refrain from making recommendations based on a basic nutrition course he had many years ago in college. Or worse.... conventional wisdom he heard on TV. But doctors do, and it's a big pet peve of mine.


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But doctors do....

Sad, sad, sad.

True, but sad.


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It's even worse when the doctor is my mother. :lol:

About low carb and low fat diet, she doesn't favour in any side, she have more trust in medicine and the test's result. Anything that's not in moderate range is not good. And my reading is really too high.


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Well, i'm off in a couple of hours to have my blood test done, probably get the results back in a week. I know I consume more saturated fat than the last time I had it done a year ago.

I'm starving! They told me to fast for 12 hours before the test, which I have done, but i'm confused as to why? To me thats like having a driving test in which you dont actually drive a car! Maybe someone can explain? :lol:


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UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE!

stuward wrote:
Rik, I wanted to post the chart from this site earlier. It gives the all-causes relationship to total cholestrol.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2 ... ality.html

You'll have to convert to mmols (divide by 18) but I think you're aiming too low.


oops! I just discovered that that is correct for Glucose, not Cholesterol (different molecular weights).

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Here in the UK, the test should be lower than 5.0 mmol/l - yours works out at around 24.0 mmol/l


So, I was wrong, Johnny, your test works out at 11.1 (still twice the 'Happy UK doctor' limit).

To convert mmol/l of Glucose to mg/dl, multiply by 18.
To convert mg/dl of Glucose to mmol/l, divide by 18.

To convert mmol/l of HDL or LDL cholesterol to mg/dl, multiply by 39.
To convert mg/dl of HDL or LDL cholesterol to mmol/l, divide by 39.

To convert mmol/l of triglycerides to mg/dl, multiply by 89.
To convert mg/dl of triglycerides to mmol/l, divide by 89.

To convert umol (micromoles) /l of creatinine to mg/dl, divide by 88.
To convert mg/dl of creatinine to umol/l, multiply by 88.

I told the Nurse today as she was taking my blood, that I consume 60 eggs a week. She nearly fell off her chair! This was in answer to her question 'So, Mr Blades....what have you done to lower your Cholesterol since last year?'.

I managed to get last years readings from her though:

Date 3rd September 2008
Age: 38
135/83 BP
TOTAL Cholesterol=7.9 mmol/L or 308.1 mg/dL
LDL=5.5 mmol/L or 214.5 mg/dL
HDL=1.4 mmol/L or 54.6 mg/dL
Triglycerides=2.2 mmol/L or 195.8
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 5.6 mmol/L or 218.4 mg/dL

Back then, I ate 6 eggs a week!....should have the results from todays test tomorrow :roll:


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Thanks for the correction on the conversion rate.

We should have a pool or something to guess where your blood work comes out this year.


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Rik-Blades,

I hope you get a good result on your test. Make the doctor surprise!


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Date 26th November 2009
Age: 39
135/83 BP
TOTAL Cholesterol=11.1 mmol/L or 432.9 mg/dL
LDL=8.7 mmol/L or 339.3 mg/dL
HDL=2.1 mmol/L or 81.9 mg/dL
Triglycerides=0.7 mmol/L or 62.3 mg/dL
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 5.3 mmol/L or 206.7 mg/dL

ooops! :green:

LDL has taken quite a leap! Triglycerides look good (ahem!) :roll:

Had an argument with the missus over this! :lol: gonna keep the peace and swap out the eggs and cheese in my diet and replace with whey protein.


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That's a tremendous improvement in Triglycerides and your HDLs have improved too. I think Triglycerides are the most important number here and yours have completely turned around.

I suppose your doctor's flipped.



I can't find a good reference but low triglycerides and high LDLs are associated with large fluffy LDLs which are not risky. You need to get your LDLs tested directly.

Edit: Found it. http://www.medicinenet.com/your_cholest ... page12.htm

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/show ... hp?t=61257


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stuward wrote:
That's a tremendous improvement in Triglycerides and your HDLs have improved too. I think Triglycerides are the most important number here and yours have completely turned around.

I suppose your doctor's flipped.



I can't find a good reference but low triglycerides and high LDLs are associated with large fluffy LDLs which are not risky. You need to get your LDLs tested directly.

Edit: Found it. http://www.medicinenet.com/your_cholest ... page12.htm

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/show ... hp?t=61257


Yes, i'd noticed the HDL and Triglycerides where much better. The LDL figure is whats worrying me.

I've not yet discussed the results with the doctor. It's more the nurse that deals with this at my practice.
I'd discussed my saturated fat intake with the nurse as she took the blood and she said she'd be very interested in the result. I asked if the LDL was measured directly and she said it was. I've got a copy of the report, there's no mention of any 'estimations'. It used to take a week for the results, but now it takes just a day. I just happend to be passing and nipped in for the results tonight, she said they would be in touch!

The main differences between last year and this year has been the following:

Gave up smoking.
Consume lots of Olives and Extra virgin olive oil.
Increased my overall calories from fat from 20% to around 60%, cut Carbs down to around 150g or below a day. I limit my grains to just 2 slices of wholemeal bread a day.
Increased Fish oil consumption (6g O3 oil and I eat tuna every day).
Continued to lift heavy 5-6 times a week (this is my second consecutive year and moving into my 3rd year this month).


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