I know that you were answering Ironman, but I wanted to say to this, "maybe not."
It's ok, thanks for responding, i'm just trying to learn somethin' ya know.
I think that because he does not have a "medical condition" this actually took concerted effort on his part. Also because he is presumably "normal," he gained strength and put on a limited amount of fat, probably along with some muscle mass. And because he doesn't have such a "condition" he wasn't obese in the first place.
He was getting his bloat on. Fat gain is almost the point. Loads of fat was gained, he went from a visible 6 pack to looking like he was expecting twins..... He actually said during it, "i'm trying to get obese" lol. Yes he's strange. I can't defend him in anyway, but, I enjoyed the show. Not something I would do myself so it's interesting to watch.
It's hard to say how much was muscle, though but deffinitly a significant amount of fat.
And how hard was it for him to reduce the calories, and to drop the 15lb? I'm guessing not hard at all.
Very difficult for him. He's still got a belly to get rid of. You can sort of see the edge of his top abs but that's it. 15lbs drop was his first attempt, and he's stayed at that for a few months now, atleast. He's now trying to shift the rest, but he hates it.
And yes, correlation is not causation.
I believe all we really have on both sides of the fence here is correlation. Unless i'm mistaken. So, conlusion is left to opinion, that was my point, really. I don't think it's 'wrong' to just believe something, simply because there's no rock solid evidence to support your view.
My point is that we're ALL missing something here. This is stuff that no one understands, even endocrinologists, few of whom concern themselves with this kind of research. I don't think the plight of the extremely obese is as simple as eating too much. Until there is more knowledge of the physiology involved, and of interventions, I think that the right thing is to offer those people compassion and understanding, and give them the best advise we have at the moment, which is low-carb eating and exercise with emphasis on resistance exercise.
I agree and always have. I'm just more concerned with how they got there in the first place. I 'believe' this is the real cause. "eating too much" is a very simple way of putting it, but with people so out of control, surely a simple approach is the only realistic approach.
About the only thing I don't agree with is that calories in vs calories out has nothing to do with it. From what I can gather and I welcome being corrected, there's a thought process here that, because there's more to do it than calories, then, calories are nothing to do with it. That's as black and white as me saying "no morbidly obese person has a medical condition, they're just fat and greedy" - which i've never said.
I agree on the compassion point. Trust me, if I didn't have compassion for it, then I wouldn't care much for the majority of my family. A notorious statement my dad has made is "when my sisters come and visit me, I feel like i'm in celebrity fat club". I don't think getting someone to eat less and move more is cruel in any way unless you do it like the biggest loser does. Also agree on the advice point - low carb and exercise. However, all that's doing is increasing expenditure whilst decreasing calories, which has about as much evidence to support it as the there is the existence of Unicorns, if i'm understanding Ironman Correctly