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Stuward was right … I only meant that talking about a teaspoonful of honey on the morning to overcome the sugar craving I feel after wakeup, and it is not even to replace sugar on my drinks ( coffee, tea.. ) as all my drinks without sugar at all.

pdellortoI put honey in my post-workout shake to fill out the taste, take advantage of its benefits (I get locally farmed honey), and to get more carbs. Why not look into that instead of adding it to your breakfast? You don't need too much honey to get the taste, or probably the benefits either.

Now I replaced the honey with fruits that I tried it yesterday and today and its working good.

Regarding Fava Beans (Broad Beans) I used to eat a big amount cooked with 3-4 eggs on it as my breakfast to provide me with all the fibers and protein after long hours of sleeping, but after your advise I think I’ll rethink about it and eliminate it till I loose the extra weight.

so what about replacing it with a cup of Oats with skimmed milk with 3-4 eggs ?


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Oats would be worse than beans. They're a grain and are high in carbs. It's fine if you're trying to gain weight but I thought you wanted to lose. Don't drink skim milk, the fat is the best part.


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Maybe som unsweetened yoghurt with assorted nuts and seeds, together with the eggs?


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Bassel, you should read this article.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/20 ... t-and.html

If you're going to go low-carb, go low-carb. Don't do it half way.

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A diet rich in saturated fat may indeed be bad when it is also a diet even moderately rich in insulin-boosting, easily digestible carbs.


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stuward wrote:
Bassel, you should read this article.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/20 ... t-and.html

If you're going to go low-carb, go low-carb. Don't do it half way.

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A diet rich in saturated fat may indeed be bad when it is also a diet even moderately rich in insulin-boosting, easily digestible carbs.


Stu, Berardi brings this out in what he terms "partitioning", noting that if you are going to go with a higher fat, be it saturated or not, limit the carbs, and to do not worry about the fat when keeping carbs minimal.
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stuward wrote:
Bassel, you should read this article.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/20 ... t-and.html

If you're going to go low-carb, go low-carb. Don't do it half way.

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A diet rich in saturated fat may indeed be bad when it is also a diet even moderately rich in insulin-boosting, easily digestible carbs.


OMG.. That’s gave me an explanation that I was looking for, as my the last 4 weeks with very strict workout ( 4 days/week upper/lower split ) DID NOT DROPED ANY WAIGHT !!

After reading the article found that I was in the Gray zone, and it really did nothing to me, even my waist size remains exactly the same (I have to admit that I gained some good mass)

I really can't imagine how to go this deep low carb. so I'll start a new diet program and make it in a new post and seek advises and after it'll be a good program, I'll test it for anther 4 weeks and see what is the results.

Finally I would like really to thank you all for this gr8 help; I think you may give me the key that I was looking for.


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stuward wrote:
Bassel, you should read this article.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/20 ... t-and.html

If you're going to go low-carb, go low-carb. Don't do it half way.

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A diet rich in saturated fat may indeed be bad when it is also a diet even moderately rich in insulin-boosting, easily digestible carbs.


Damn - im definately guilty of that - I did think that cutting carbs in half and replacing with fat would be like 50% of the gains of atkins/low carb...

Time to rethink what im doing I guess...


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One trick Dr. Michael Eades uses is he replaces 2 meals/day with a shake consisting of water, whey and heavy cream. Heavy cream is pure milk fat and highly saturated. You only need a couple of tablespoons per shake. He also adds Lucine which is very expensive but probably helps. Your main meal should be a good size serving meat or fish and lots of vegetables with olive oil dressing or cooked in olive oil. A few almonds will work as a between meal snack. He only does this for 2 weeks at a time as it's not complete nutrition but it will help you lose the "midle aged middle" as he calls it.

As a steady state, I eat eggs and meat (bacon or sausage) for breakfast (post workout) a large salad with hard boiled eggs for lunch and meat or fish with veg for supper. I hardly ever snack between but have nuts, cheese or a protein shake once in a while. I'm still a sucker for my wife's baking but she's cutting down on it and she's losing weight now too.


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Very interesting article. I never went halfheartedly at it, but I know some people that do - will share...


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stuward wrote:
Bassel, you should read this article.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/20 ... t-and.html

If you're going to go low-carb, go low-carb. Don't do it half way.


Is this guy actually saying that a low-carb (or "half-way") diet can increase CRP levels? I'm prone to inflammation so that would be good for me to know... I guess I can read up on it myself :roll: :green:


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stuward wrote:
Bassel, you should read this article.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/20 ... t-and.html

If you're going to go low-carb, go low-carb. Don't do it half way.


Is this guy actually saying that a low-carb (or "half-way") diet can increase CRP levels? I'm prone to inflammation so that would be good for me to know... I guess I can read up on it myself :roll: :green:


Theoretically, there may be a correlation of heart disease and saturated fats in the presense of excess carbs. I don't know if this makes sense or not but I think this is where saturated fats get a bad rap. i don't know about this specific study but it seems to support that. A true low-carb diet with high saturated fats does not appear to have the same negative impact. There is much speculation on this and this is a sensative issue among people with vested interests. Take this as my opinion only.


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stuward wrote:
Bassel, you should read this article.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/20 ... t-and.html

If you're going to go low-carb, go low-carb. Don't do it half way.

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A diet rich in saturated fat may indeed be bad when it is also a diet even moderately rich in insulin-boosting, easily digestible carbs.


For the last two days since I saw the article, I'm thinking about it, I know that I'm not a specialist as mentioned that the results from Grey zone (half-way low carb.) he is talking about is worst regarding fat loss, doesn’t make sense to me !! specially if the consumption of good fats is moderate, and maybe in a case like that have few Kg to loose ( plz correct me if I'm wrong).

it's only based on a personal experience as all friends, colleges in GYS who have few Kg over or need more muscle definitions, once they began to eat real healthy and good fats results come but it take long time !!, it’s not logic that going half-way low carb. With eating healthy and moderate good fats will increase fats and weight gain.


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i think the study he's talking about in the article is just rubbish. I consider myself to be doing a half-hearted atkins diet but I'm getting much less carbs, about 80g on workout days and 30g on others


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stuward wrote:
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stuward wrote:
Bassel, you should read this article.

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/20 ... t-and.html

If you're going to go low-carb, go low-carb. Don't do it half way.


Is this guy actually saying that a low-carb (or "half-way") diet can increase CRP levels? I'm prone to inflammation so that would be good for me to know... I guess I can read up on it myself :roll: :green:


Theoretically, there may be a correlation of heart disease and saturated fats in the presense of excess carbs. I don't know if this makes sense or not but I think this is where saturated fats get a bad rap. i don't know about this specific study but it seems to support that. A true low-carb diet with high saturated fats does not appear to have the same negative impact. There is much speculation on this and this is a sensative issue among people with vested interests. Take this as my opinion only.



The carbs can do it on their own without the saturated fat, so it's unlikely it even matters then. The problem with the whole thing is the variables never got separated. There is a 10% increase in cholesterol usually with more saturated fat, but there is no evidence to correlate it with heart disease.


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You're right the carbs can do it on their own but there is a potential that the sat fats can make the effect worse. That's why when carbs are controlled, although high, it appears that PUFA is better than SFA. Of course with low carbs it's likely that SFA is better than PUFA but the testing is so bad, and so confounded with money driven studies that it's hard to tell for certain. Personally I prefer to keep my carbs low so I'm ketogenic most of the time. I used to get hypoglycemia all the time. That's in the past now. If I needed to eat, everything else had to stop so I could get my carb fix. Now, if there's no food, I just wait a few hours with no trouble. That's immediate, where the heart/cancer risks are "out there".


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