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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:36 am 
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try to avoid food for atleast 1 hour before having a bath and it supports good metabolism and is effective to take bath after that ideally it should be having a small diet like some nuts or a glass of milk etc will do but not heavy food and not at all especially after gym


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:20 am 
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alisha7525 wrote:
try to avoid food for atleast 1 hour before having a bath


That because you can get cramps and drown, right?

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and it supports good metabolism and is effective to take bath after that ideally it should be having a small diet like some nuts or a glass of milk etc will do but not heavy food and not at all especially after gym


Where do you come up with this stuff?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:01 am 
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stuward wrote:
John Ivy wrote a book called "Nutrient Timing" that started it all and it still seems to have some merit in the endurance population. Even then people like Fred Hatfield complained that carbs after working out blunted the growth hormone responce.


Pre and Post Fasting Workouts

Like you, I performed workout in a fasting state and remained in a fasting state for a couple of hours after a workout.

Looking back, I didn't see much value in that and am NOT a proponent of fasted now.

2012 EAS Nutritional Sports Summit in Seattle

I attended the event. Ivy was one of the speakers.

Blunted Growth Hormone

Ivy stated that Growth Hormone is initially blunted in with a post workout beverage/meal.

However, Growth Hormone rebounds....

Dietary supplements affect the anabolic hormones after weight-training exercise
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8175597

As per Ivy's research, Growth Hormone has a pronounced rebound 6 hours after you workout.

Ivy went to on to state that not consuming something before and after a training session, negated much of the training effect.

As Dr. Barry Sears put it...

"Food is the Ultimate Drug."

Carbohydrates and some amino acids create a hormonal cascade effect (Ivy).

Fasted Fat Burning

Research has established that fat burning is NOT enhanced in a fasting state.

However, that myth won't die or go away.

Aragon and Schoenfeld

There article shed some more light on the subject and brings up new questions.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:05 am 
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robertscott wrote:
It's weird how this myth is so pervasive.

I mean it takes hours to digest stuff anyway, so when you hit the gym whatever you've eaten during the day is still being digested so you're getting all the amino acids or whatever you need. Assuming of course you don't eat like crap before you hit the gym.


Cascade Effect

A large part of it has to do with the cascade effect of insulin, mTOR, etc.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:22 am 
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robertscott wrote:
I'm back on the fasting bandwagon. Giving the carbless post workout meal a try too.


There doesn't appear to be any short or long term value in a fasted workout.

workout nutrition is looking like this these days:

pre workout:
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20g BCAA
20g glutamine (for the health benefits, not because I think it builds muscle)
cup of coffee


Increased Fat Lipolysis

The point of training in a fasted stated is that the to burn a greater percentage of body fat.

Insulin Release

As you we know, Insulin shut down fat being/burned.

Leucine

Leucine is shown to produce insulin release.

The Irony...

is that ingesting BCAA (Leucine, Isoleucine, Valine) trigger the release of insulin.

Insulin Index

The Insulin Index has indicated that certain amino acids as well as protein elicit insulin release.


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then post workout, usually about half an hour to an hour after:

6 eggs


Eggs are fine.

Just keep in mind that eggs trigger insulin release.

If that is you objective, it works.

If you objective is to avoid insulin pre and postworkout, you are missing the boat.

Eggs High Insulin Index

"High protein, virtually no-carb foods like meat and eggs, while low on the glycemic index, measured high on the insulin index."
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/insulin- ... z2omMcAXDG


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We shall see how well it works.


You're results are going to be any better with this method.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:35 am 
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stuward wrote:
This is a good idea but I'm not sure the glutamine is a good idea with the BCAAs. I think it would overpower the BCAAs. Better would be to take it after, or anytime really.


Stu,

Glutamine Stacked With Leucine

It appears that Glutamine is vital to the effect of Leucine.

Stacking Glutamine with a beverage that is Leucine rich would enhance the mTOR effect.

How to Harness the Anabolic Power of Cell Volume
http://www.t-nation.com/portal_includes ... 36-01.html
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... ell_volume

"...it takes more than just leucine to activate mTOR – glutamine is also required."

"Glutamine was necessary for leucine uptake and cell volumization, both of which are needed to turn on protein synthesis. The authors went on to show that cellular glutamine depletion not only results in a reduction of cell volume, but also reduces the ability of leucine to activate protein synthesis.(7) This discovery was huge, because it provided a direct link between glutamine, cell volumization, and protein synthesis. For the first time, it was shown that glutamine is necessary for the activation of protein synthesis by leucine."

"...glutamine export is coupled to leucine import and mTOR activation."


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