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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:56 am 
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I came across this article in The New Scientist web site. There's not much to the article in terms of information, but it draws an interesting conclusion:

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So what is the maximum weight a human could ever lift? Todd Schroeder at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles thinks we are already close to the maximum. "If you look over time at the records for maximal lifts, they have crept up but are starting to plateau," he says. "Today's weightlifters, including those that use steroids, are near the limit of human potential."


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I'd like to see the graph - certainly could be, at least until we start doing genetic engineering in earnest.


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They say that about a lot of sports. Sprinting seemed to slow down until some guy named Usain Bolt came along. Powerlifting is confounded by changes in equipment and doping but I'm sure some genetic freak will come along from time to time and blow away current records.

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_100_metres_world_record_progression"


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I wonder how fast and strong our ancestors were.

look at those sprinters, so jacked compared to those marathon runners... ha


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stuward wrote:
but I'm sure some genetic freak will come along from time to time and blow away current records.



This is how I feel. But then again I'm a dreamer and a optimist.

Great topic.

I feel like humans will continue to push the limits, and while the records make increase super slow, we will find a way to break them.


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stuward wrote:
They say that about a lot of sports. Sprinting seemed to slow down until some guy named Usain Bolt came along. Powerlifting is confounded by changes in equipment and doping but I'm sure some genetic freak will come along from time to time and blow away current records.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_100_ ... rogression


The mile run shows asimilar progression, although most international races now use the somewhat shorter 1500 meter distance. Prior to 1954, some people believed that human beings were incapable of running a mile in less than 4 minutes. Now it is done routinely by top college runners, even though the world record is 3:43.13.

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I'd like to see the graph - certainly could be, at least until we start doing genetic engineering in earnest.


I haven't been able to find a graph for records in a lift similar to that of the running events. They must exist, however.

Doug Hepburn was the first man to bench press 500 pounds, and Vasily Alexeev was the first man to lift 500 pounds overhead. Both of these records have been eclipsed, although Hepburn benched raw and didn't use modern techniques.


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I keep hoping that I turn out to be a genetic freak, but hopes are slowly fading.


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It varies person to person, we don't know exactly. All we can do is predict.


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I think we'll keep getting stronger.

I think so because, we still don't know all that much about the body, the CNS, etc. As we learn more and also experience more, I think we'll keep getting stronger.

Also consider freakish feats of strength such as average every day untrained people being able to lift cars off of people. How does things like this happen? I've read theories that it's adrenalin. I don't really know but I just think it's clear that there's loads more to learn. Considering this, I would say there's also loads more to lift :smile:

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I think people will just continue to get stronger. Take deadlift for example. It wasn't till the 1970's (I think, don't have time for research) that someone finally pulled over 900. Now many of the men you see at World's Strongest Man have 900+ Deadlifts. Wouldn't be suprised to see at least one of them pull over 1k in the near future.


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Somewhat related - Do you guys know Andy Bolton issued a challenge to have a deadlift meet to see who was the strongest? Obviously he's pulled the most in competition but there's always talk here and there that others are stronger.

I follow it here,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-2011- ... 1404520463

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Yep. That's actually what I was refering to when I said "Near future" I think the competitors are going to be Bolton, Poundstone, Pudz, Konstantinov, Hollands, Magnussen, Savikas not sure of others. All of which are pulling 900+. Interestingly, Kevin Nee was left off the list. Not sure why. He has pulled over 9 a couple of times in competition that I can recall.


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It's exciting to see guys like Kevin Nee and Mike Tuchscherer who are exceptionally strong at a young age. If the don't get injured, they'll be setting records in a few years.


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I don't know how sound this theory is but I wanted to put it out there. It's possible that the people who set records or are the best at their particular sport are not geneticly the best at their pursuit of choice. Like what if the person who could be the greatest squater is playing football where having an absolute strength is not necessary and actually may inhibit them. The same goes for the strong men some may be great at football, basketball or olymipic throwing but choose to pursue strength competition.

Just a thought.


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MrWonderful wrote:
I don't know how sound this theory is but I wanted to put it out there. It's possible that the people who set records or are the best at their particular sport are not geneticly the best at their pursuit of choice. Like what if the person who could be the greatest squater is playing football where having an absolute strength is not necessary and actually may inhibit them. The same goes for the strong men some may be great at football, basketball or olymipic throwing but choose to pursue strength competition.

Just a thought.


i think that's a really good point


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