I started posting this in the following thread - http://exrx.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4 ... c&start=30
But it's not all that relevant. I just felt like going on a rant so this thread is more appropriate.
What i always shake my head at is all this, "power lifters this, body builders that". Like bodybuilders are some sort of super human race that need 20 exercises per body part otherwise they will neglect certain angles of each muscle and not achieve proper development. And powerlifters are just fat hairy guys who bench squat and deadlift every time they're in the gym, then go to mcdonalds and get some more trans fats 'cause trans fats makes big bellies and big bellies decrease ROM. And if you ain't a fat power lifter then you ain't a powerlifter.
Olympic lifters don't get much flack, though. Either because people that hoover up myths don't know the difference between PL and OL or maybe since you don't get many fat OL's, so they're mistaken for bodybuilders?
This is triggered mostly by comments in the commercial gym i train in. "your looking bigger... thought you weren't into all this body building stuff!"...........
* stare blankly and contemplate whipping him with my dipping belt *
Like if you squat, dead lift, front squat, do weighted pull ups, heavy benching, rows, and variations of the same, then your not going to add a little bit of mass? These guys are meant to be qualified to train people. I dread to think....
Tim has described before how before bodybuilding went mainstream, 'weightlifters' all trained out of the same gyms, and used each others techniques to help each others goals. I've been told the same thing, a few times by people of different back grounds.
In my training 'career', and especially in the last 18 months or so, i've had the pleasure of training with many different people. My town seems to be a stop and go for strange travelers. Strange specimens of people come in for a month or so and never leave again - serious lifters that clearly train a lot. I've trained with a 'competitive' bodybuilder - the real, genetically gifted juiced up kind. I've trained with a 66 year old ex olympic lifter, who - btw - curled 50lbs DB's like it was air. Couldn't believe my eyes. He taught me how to clean & jerk. Rugby players, i'm friendly with couple of competing OL, who train out of the same club that represented Scotland in the commonwealth games (this is in my home town). I obviously train with powerlifters quite regularly.
Everytime I train with someone, like the proper competing BB, or the old timer OL, I shut up and listen, and watch. It's amazing how similar the advice has been. The Bodybuilder in question used to live a few streets away from me. When I trained with him, it was a couple of years ago, i was still doing stupid body part splits and benching like a maniac. I remember he told me I done too much isolation. He taught me the bent over row, and the dead lift, stating that the dead lift alone put most of the mass on his back. I ignored the DL advice. He told me I done too much isolation, and too much benching (i ignored this, too). He told me I need to Row more, A LOT more. Again, I ignored this part. Get rid of my chest day? Don't be stupid!
I don't see him anymore, but now I want to powerlift and not get heavier. Interestingly, i'm now taking his advice, although he was a bodybuilder...
To cap off my seemingly endless rant, here's 2 articles,
Powerlifting for Bodybuilder
Bodybuilding for Powerlifters (check pics of Dave Gulledge in this article!)
I'm done. * passes out *