I just jumped in, so here is my answer to the original post (and poster). Yeah, Halfbreed, I remember you.I don't know what guidelines are in measure 11, but my take on it is that unless juveniles commit pre-meditated murder (or something equal-I don;t know what that would be), they should be hel in a JUVENILE court for time commensurate with the offense, if it's a felonet, so note it, but SEAL up the records. If it's a mjor feloney, hold a hearing at age 18 to determine any further action.
OK, now I'm going on a rant. Most of us are in the US, and this is the system I'm ranting about. Our facilities are fullI see nothing at all that prepares inmates for fitting back into society, on the contrary I just see a penal system that prepares them to be more hardcore offenders. NO WAY should you put you put young and dumb juveniles into that system.I remember when I was 17, and some friends and i got ahold of a case of beer, got busted, and when the local PD showed up to bust it, kind of sorted locked him up in his patrol car and had a good time laughing at him. Well, his back up ended up hauling us in. Well, one night in the drunk tank, a fine for a misdemeanor and having to look a runny eggs over hash passed through the bars in the morning, plus my father doing much wore to me was enough to straighten me right out, as I think it would be for most juveniles. The parents, not the police, have to take back control of the younger generation. OK, end of rant.