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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:24 pm 
once again im 22 6'3 down to 301 now 33% body fat

im on the zone eating 6 blocks a day and trying to loose fat while maintaining muscle (mabye building if thats possible too)

im eating 16 blocks a day, which is the number thats working well for me for right now, i tried 20-25 and i actually got bigger heh

my question is they say to eat 1-2G of protein per body weight,..... thats 300-600 grams per day for me... wont that make me stop loosing fat eating that much? 300 grams is 44 blocks of protein PER DAY, and with the zone you need to eat equal blocks of protein and fat and carbs so..... im not sure

what im doing now is isntead of weighing the meats before being cooked, i weigh them after they are cooked, so im getting mabye doulbe hte protein? still my guess is 140 (if i weighed before cooking) to 250 range for protein

is that enough to maintain muscle mass? mabye even build some? im lifting 4 days a week with one long slow cardio day, and doing HIIT all the other days

and i cut out that apple juice like someone told me i should do on my previous post ;)


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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:48 pm 
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I've been reading about protein this week and for the AVERAGE human it said 0.8g per KILOGRAM of body weight! For me thats 118kg x 0.8g = 94.4g per day. Weightlifters and body builders should be between 1g and 1.6g per KG a day. To get 400 to 600 grams you must be going on Pounds of body weight rather than Kilograms! But even in pounds at 1.6g for me that would mean 260lbs x 1.6g = 416g a day! To get your body weight in Kg to work it out you need to divide your weight in pounds by 2.2, then do the equations with that in mind! If you are tryin to eat 400 to 600g of protein a day your gonna be pissing most of it down the drain ratehr than avsorbing it! Unless you eat 15 minutes after a gym session you can really only absorb a max of about 50g of protein in one sitting and even then you risk losing some of it! As a nurse, in Hospitals I've worked in those who get a specialised high protein diet for diseases such as cancer and HIV are given 1g per kg because of muscle wasting! If I were you i'd aim for around that 1.3 to 1.6g per kg or 0.6 to 0.75 grams per pound mark!


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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:37 pm 
everywhere ive read it has been per pound of body weight, this is coming from dr.john berardi and many other nutrition gurus, which is why im asking becuase it seems crazy heh


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Try to find out if they are in anyway associated with a supplement company and that will answer the question of whether or not it's misleading! THe other thing is you should really try to work it out from your lean body mass because you only need to feed protein to the muscle. So really for me I should go on the fact that my lean body mass is 209lbs (95kg) not on my fat weight of 118kg! The other thing is eat what feels right! Only increase your Protein if your not making gains or not recovering fast enough! And if your worrie about gaining fat your probably not cutting carbs to match the increase in protein! Even for a body builder you should aim for P 50% C 40% and F 10% or you will starve your health!


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John wrote:
once again im 22 6'3 down to 301 now 33% body fat

im on the zone eating 6 blocks a day and trying to loose fat while maintaining muscle (mabye building if thats possible too)

im eating 16 blocks a day, which is the number thats working well for me for right now, i tried 20-25 and i actually got bigger heh

my question is they say to eat 1-2G of protein per body weight,..... thats 300-600 grams per day for me... wont that make me stop loosing fat eating that much? 300 grams is 44 blocks of protein PER DAY, and with the zone you need to eat equal blocks of protein and fat and carbs so..... im not sure

what im doing now is isntead of weighing the meats before being cooked, i weigh them after they are cooked, so im getting mabye doulbe hte protein? still my guess is 140 (if i weighed before cooking) to 250 range for protein

is that enough to maintain muscle mass? mabye even build some? im lifting 4 days a week with one long slow cardio day, and doing HIIT all the other days

and i cut out that apple juice like someone told me i should do on my previous post ;)


I think the amount of protein you eat is suppose to be proportional to lean body mass, not total body mass. Fat has no muscle with it, and hence requires no protein.


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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:44 am 
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zeratum wrote:
I think the amount of protein you eat is suppose to be proportional to lean body mass, not total body mass. Fat has no muscle with it, and hence requires no protein.


Yeha I think you have it right!


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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:44 am 
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John, a quote right out of the Zone. .6-.85 gr P / LEAN BWT in LBS0 depending on your activity level. This is not too far off what other sports nutritionists have come up with, as a matter of fact, it's a bit light. The old numbers Jeff has come up with are based on the old USRDA, have been proven to be way to low far active people trying to maintain or build musle.
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