Kyle Aaron wrote:
As I said though, most people never even get to the novice stage, giving up partway in. One contributor to that is the broscience floating around which overwhelms them,
I would say laziness is MUCH more of a factor than "broscience." (I'm still not sure if your trying to be insulting with that term or not.) Everyone thinks they can just walk into a gym and BAM the fat melts off and the muscle packs on.
God, you have no idea how many times ANYONE with muscle is around and all the fat & skinny fat people all whisper "he must use da steroids," to feel better about sitting on their a$$ and eating a gallon of ice cream every night.
No, he sweats and burns, he works hard. He doesn't use some silly "study" to justify his lack of progress. He eats a lot & lifts a lot, and sometimes does crunches too. This isn't easy, self IMPROVEMENT isn't supposed to be.
How much protein someone eats has very little to do with if they keep lifting OTHER than if they DON'T EAT ENOUGH, MAKE NO PROGRESS because they under ate and quit from frustration.
different types of proteins and so on, and the financial and organisational burden of having 6 meals a day and buying and carting around buckets of protein powder and supplements.
I gain quite nice from 3 meals a day & one snack, and my extreme "burden" protein powder, never leaves my k-word counter. I bring lunch & a jar of PB to work. You know thinking about it now, I should just quit, that is a lot of work.
(No wonder the rest of the world thinks American's are lazy.)
People don't need powder or supplements at all, they just make life easier.
If it's the case that all that stuff is necessary, well then what can we do, that's that. But if it's not actually necessary, then it becomes much easier to get people to stick with their training.
It is not necessary, who ever even said that? It's easy, not necessary to use powders. Plus your original rant was on protein, not supplements.
Dude, lifting and self improvement are not for everyone. The need or not for supplements is totally irrelevant to whether someone is going to "make it past the novice stage."
Some people are going to take up space at the gym just to feel good about themselves, maybe get some 15 inch arms, think he is hot stuff and be done. Some are going to never be happy, some are going to strive for more. Some people will make progress. It has nothing to do with supplements.
Your argument is flirting dangerously with being non-sequitur(sp).
However, the distinction between "gains" and "optimal gains" is an important one, as you say, and this doesn't appear to have been well-studied. It's a difficult area, because the variations in intensity of training and people's sleep and starting body composition will muddy the waters somewhat in comparing someone who gets 0.8g vs someone with 1.1g or 1.2g or whatever. There are a lot of variables.
Can you tell us about your progress & how these studies helped you get there?