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Thanks TimD.

Sounds good - though the link did have supplements this "offical rep" that etc so ...

It's all I use, but I just have the mentality of "its supposed to work" and people I consider worth listening to agree

I switched to a different program and when I did I used creatine and caffeine, before it was just whey. I really need to get myself some omega 3 caps - then that will be me done

Rest comes from being a mommas boy and getting served superb meals/cupboards being stocked nicely :)


One thing that's different though - my shakes (at the moment... I usually only have 2) are at 9:30am - 2pm (post workout with creatine) and around 10pm. I doubt you guys can actually feel the bennefit but is there logic to having a shake 30 mins before the session, perhaps with the caffeine?

Is there any point to taking creatine pre-workout? It gets stored, right?

Today for the first time I used this supplement combination before exercising. This is the first time ever I have used a non-vitamin supplement.
I will be cycling these items into, and cleaning up, my diet (alcohol reduction) over the next two weeks while I work on power exercises.
My initial experience was positive. I felt my ability to exert force recovered very strongly today - I noticed what I thought was a reduced level of fatigue when attempting bodyweight/trx exercises. I did however notice an unusually fierce heartbeat while resting between farmers walks, but I suspect this was more based on the alcohol in my system than the caffeine. More news as it happens. It's interesting for me, anyway.

edit 23/3/11: tried putting this stuff into my morning coffee - it wasn't too bad, but bits of the whey solidifed as I didn't stir effectively, so I got little chewy protein bits. whey protein tasted better in milk than water.

This is ing. I hope it wasn't decent coffee that you treated with such unkindness.

Edit--Hey, it put that smilie into my post in place of the word d-i-s-g-u-s-t. Odd.

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sadly i did turn some locally roasted beans into a chewy drink. the experiment produced a result that will not be continued. i have learned this lesson. i'll be making and drinking the coffee separately.

i wonder what other words will be autoreplaced... i frequent a car forum that substitutes the names of automanufacturers with alternative terms to avoid these words being indexed by search engines and the site being associated with the "wrong" marque. can't see the benefit of hiding our at my special chewy coffee. everyone should know it's pretty gross.

to keep on topic, i've found the whey protein palatable in full cream milk, and it's nearly unnoticable in ice cream made with buttermilk. adding a bit of cream seems to have improved (distracted me from?) the flavour and texture quite a lot. mmm. fatty goodness.

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You have to use a colon. I'm not sure why one worked without. There does appear to be one missing though. I'll look into that.

Wow, I had always thought mixing creatine in with coffee or something acidic like orange juice would neutralize or destroy the creatine. Googleing "creatine caffeine" also suggests a number of negative relations.

"If you take creatine, high daily doses of caffeine will cancel out its effect. But the effect of caffeine is apparently not so strong that it’s no use at all to creatine takers." http://www.ergo-log.com/creatinecaffeine.html

I am certainly huge fans of all three, and I think that anyone who uses them correctly will be able to feel and see an obvious difference.

Taking creatine pre-workout ensures your muscles will have high levels of it exactly when they need it, which starts at your first rep.

I normally have creatine after but occasionally before as well, depending on how much I've had recently. For the cost of both caffeine and creatine, it can't hurt to have both before, even for the placebo effect.

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Thanks TimD.

Thank you Kenny. I like this article. Citations. Unemotional tone. A solid summary. Real discussion. Gold.
And it will make me rethink my approach. The caffeine point and usage advice was very useful.

I'm on day 10 of what i've decided is to be a 21 day introduction. I haven't controlled the variables enough to clearly identify what's happening. I'm sure in my workouts i'm pushing through a bit more volume and recovery/vigour has improved. But, this could be because
a) the protein, creatine has made a difference
b) i've dropped alcohol (my old friend)
c) i'm actually getting fitter (i'm doing so much bloody work but still resting)
d) placebo and b & c
e) b & c
f) ?
g) profit (sorry. South park joke. kinda.)

More observations to come. If anything, the protein is a really easy way of bringing up consumption levels in a reasonably cheap way. Reasonably. Currently it's either protein supplement or alcohol ;)

Yep, underwear gnomes!

Kenny--two questions.

First, what about non-workout days? Just creatine?

Second, what's your take on beta alanine?

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