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Thanks !

The pictures problem maybe is bacause I'm recently registrated.

That's a problem the moderator can solve.

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Thanks TimD

I was wondering these days:

1.Whats the point of not doing pull ups ? What is the pressure putted on the spine any different from a reverse row ? It makes sense not to put any verical pressure by doing squats,deadlifts and etc. but whats the point of not doing the pull ups, you are just hanging, is that so bad for the spine ?

2.Doing hyperextensions with a barbell is not a vertical movement, but won't it put pressure on spine since we are adding weight ?

What do you think about this ?

I think it's the vertical tension your doctor is worried about. I agree that hyperextentions with added weight would probably be just as bad as pull ups.

Building up the musculature around your spine would be protective. It would hold everything in position so someday you should be able to do exercises like pull ups. Doing progressively challenging rows,presses and carries would help in that regard.

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Thanks TimD

Actually it's because you registered as a COPPA user, which is for people under 13. You sent me an e-mail with a form signed by your father. I activated your account, and told you that I removed you from the newly registered group, and that when you turn 13, to let me know. However it appears you are actually 17. So in that case I removed you from the COPPA group and put you in the regular registered users group. So you will now be able to post links, pictures and all that sort of thing.

Thanks, Ironman

These are the pictures:

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It's difficult to take a good picture of an X-ray photo, but the others are good, I think.

stuward,

What presses and carries can i do without putting tension on the thoraxic spine? I belive I have alredy a strong enough muscles on the back. I have been doing pulls with some addition weight before I understood that I have trauma.

That doctor said to me not to put the spine in vertical pressure. No pull ups, no squats. But he said that i can do inverted rows and hyperextension (even with additional weight). That was strange for me, but I didn't asked why i can because I was surprised(shocked) that I have a deformity.

But now I am trying to understand why did he said that?

When I am doing a barbell squat I am copressing the vertebras because the weight is putted over the injured spot. Pull ups are also a vertical movement, but there isn't any weight added on the thoraxic spine. You are just hanging so I can't understand where is the pressure comming from ? And how is that bodyweight movement any different from the reverse rows?

(Btw I am not disclaiming your staitment I just can't understand why)
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I'm not sure what he meant, whether it's tension that's bad or compression. I was assuming tension since he said no pullups. That would rule out dips and hypers as well. Horizontal presses and pulls would cause shearing forces which apparently aren't an issue. Overhead presses, deadlifts and squats would all be compressive. I think you need to get clarification on what you should and should not do. In my mind, you should progressively work all of them in order to build stability.

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Thanks TimD

Lifter:

This is difficult situation for me. Before I say what I think, I'm going to give several cautions.

First, I hate to give an opinion about a situation when I can't examine the patient myself. There could be clues that this "doctor" saw that I don't know anything about.

Second, this "doctor" is possibly struggling with limitations of resources that make it very difficult for him to do what he needs to do. I'm going to sound critical of the quality of the x-ray, but I haven't seen the equipment that he has to use. I don't know how expensive the film or the developing solutions are. It may be that he was also not happy with the film, but felt that he couldn't afford to re-take it.

Third, you and I are communicating very indirectly, and with language limitations. You may not of fully understood the doctor. This happens with doctors and their patients all the time. The doctor tells the patient something in terms that he or she thinks are clear, but the patient misunderstands and is afraid to ask more questions, or the doctor hurries away before the patient can ask. Or the patient feels they understand when really they don't. Then you are using a language that is a second language for you. No insult to your English--you're doing very well. But really, you may not have meant what I believe you have said.

Now. I went back to your original post and re-read it. You said that you have no pain. What symptoms do you have? What made you want to go to a doctor in the first place? What did you think was wrong when you went? Is there anything about you that doesn't work right, except that your back is a little crooked?

The x-ray is not a good one. I just can't make out anything useful. I suspect that the upper part of your back was close to the film, and that your middle back was further away from it. The appearance that some of the vertebrae are "bunched up" is just because the spaces between them are all at different angles, and most are not aligned up straight with the film. They can't be, because of the curvature of the spine.

Part of the problem is that your photo of it isn't very good. If you want to try to take another one, try this. Hang up a plain white piece of cloth that's bigger than the x-ray. Hang the x-ray in front of it, and put a light behind it. Turn off the flash on your camera. If you can see the light bulb through the cloth and the film, you may need to use more than 1 piece of cloth, and it might be better if they were separated by a few centimeters. Make sure that the camera is positioned in front of the center of the x-ray. In the viewfinder or on the LED screen the edges of the film should be parallel with the edges of the picture. Try increasing and decreasing the exposure a little bit. The over-all resolution of your photo doesn't have to be extremely high.

From the photos of you, all I can see is that you have mild scoliosis. That is a side-to-side curve in your spine. That's not likely to be a very big problem for a person your age. You are close the completing your growth. If the scoliosis doesn't get much worse in the next 2 or 3 years, you will probably be fine.

Now, this is the tricky part for me, because I'm going to give you advice, which I rarely do on this (or any other) forum. I think it would be OK for you to do any kind of weight lifting. If you experience pain, slow down, change what you are doing or stop. The advice you were given about lifting is contradictory (that means that different parts of the advice don't agree with other parts) and confusing. If dips are OK, chin-ups are OK. If push-ups are OK, bench press is OK. If it is OK to do stretching exercises, it is OK to hang from a bar, which will stretch the muscles.

I was going to suggest that you try to see another doctor and get better x-rays, but if you don't have any symptoms, I don't think that is necessary. Just lift, eat, sleep, study, love your family and country and grow up to be a strong, productive man.

I would like to know the answers to the questions I asked earlier about what symptoms you had that made you want to see a doctor in the first place!

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tbh that seems like a lot for someone with E-as-SL, and well, I don't know..

Hi Jungledoc !

I went to that doctor because my right knee was making cracking noises when I flex it, my right shoulder is too loosen, I had difficult time pulling the shoulder blades down and my right wrist was making cracking noises when I rotate it. I knew that I have hypermobility syndrome from a "real" doctor and I defenetly have felt that many times in many of my joints, but the those who I listed I tought were injured from something else.

When I told him that "my right knee was making cracking noises when I flex it ..." he tought for a few seconds and told me (let me see your back", then he moved his hand up and down my spine. Then he stopped his hand just beneath the scapula and told me to rotate my head. I did that and he said

-You have fallen from somewhere, haven't you?
-Yes, I have
-10 years ago ?
-About that ... 7-8
-You should had to come then, now it's too late. You have a spine deformety. You have bunched up the vertebraes from the fall. This is called reduced kyphosis. You can do little now to fix this.
...
And just to be sure he told me to take an X-ray picture. Also I am almost surtain that I missed understood him about the dips. Probably he was saying that I can do push ups on the parallel bars. He said:

-You musn't put your spine on vertical pressure (this might not be the right word, this is the bulgarian-english barrier. Loading is probably more correct than this word) No pull ups,no squats, no deadlifts, no shoulder presses and no bench pressing (?! it's not a vertical movement ...). You can do horizontal movements like push ups,inverted rows, hyperextensions.You have to do sit-ups every day and strech your back muscles so that the vertebraes get placed where they should be.
-Can I do hyperextensions with added weight or Cable Seated Row ?
-Yes, you can. Doin that rows is good, it will stretch your back ... (then he said that when adding weight to the hyperextensions I might disbalance the strenghtening of the back musles so it wasn't a very good idea)

This is not all of the conversation but I don't want to get you boored.


At this moment I am not feeling any pain. But sometimes I feel something in there, but it's not pain. For example I feel something after I stay upright (stay tall or what ever it's called) with the school backpack. But when i humb a bit and it's gone. However I have been squating 3/4 times a week with at least 70 kg on my back and I have only felt pain in lumbar area (probably bad technique) This a bit strange situation.

Today I trained with my kettlebel, although I shouldn't. I felt again this strange feeling just beneath the scapulas, but I can't be sure if it's comming from the hypokyphosis or from the hypermobility. I had pain in knees and elbols but I removed it by tightening the hips and the biceps.

Mounths ago I was haning too much on the pull up bar. Next weeks I felt pain in that area, but even when i was hunched. I tought that the problems is from the hypermobility so I started to tightening the trapizius and the pain was gone. But maybe I am mistaken as that doctor said. He also said that the hypermobility is not generic but due the back trauma my body was compensating by loosening the joints ....

The new spine picture:

Oh my god, this has become a really big post. Sorry :)

Well, I stand by what I said before. The x-ray shows mild scoliosis, but I don't see anything else wrong with it. Your various joint noises and discomforts aren't related to your spine.

The bit about running his had up your spine and guessing that you had fallen was just good stage craft. There's no way he could have known about a fall by doing that any more than any stage psychic could. Everyone has fallen at some time or another, so an easy guess on his part.

Lift away! And next time go to the real doctor.

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Yesterday I was on weightlifting comepetion. I did some deadlifting and overhead pressing and I felt that strange thing again, but it was more easily noticeble than before. But I have lost my mobility in hamstring and my lumbar area was arched so that might be do problem when doing the deadlifts.

Those noises and the pain from that hypermobility actually began when first tried to make squats. Maybe the weight being puuted on my back unleashed the hypermobility.

This is a picture of my back. I deliberately made a posterior pelvic tilt. You can see the depth beneath the scapula. Is this normal ?

Jungledoc , if I could I would visit a real doctor, but unfortunately they are a bit ... let's say careless so internet diagnostic confirmation has bigger chances :D

I'm sorry you're having this trouble.

How heavy are you lifting for deadlift and squats and overhead presses?

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I was jerking 55kg and doing sets of military presses with 40kg. The deadlifts were around 75kg. This was something like a warm up actually

Let's assume that I really have hypokiphosis what exercises should be done to correct it ?