srsly, you can't tell me i'm not a grown up and then always personal offend me. that doesn't make sense.
i never said that naturals can compete with drug users. and jungle doc even said there are some kind of modified versions of steroids, which are a bit better. so, what if there are two body builders and one of them is only slightly better, then the slighty worse one takes the modified drug, which gives him a little, little, little, little advantage, then he could maybe be better as the normally better guy. i think this example is easily to understand.
that is just logic and is has nothing to do with the fact that i'm not into drugs.
your example is easy to understand, but it does not happen!
Bodybuilders all use the same gear, made by the same labs. You don't have to take my word on this, do a little research and you'll see I'm right. I have no idea where you are getting your information from, and I suspect you are just making it up as you go along, trying to pass your opinion off as fact.
If you really want to know about the subject, read the book I mentioned earlier. It's all there. Dorian Yates wrote a piece about it for Muscular Development. "Underground Anabolics" by William Llewelyn is a good book to and explains all about the availability of the drugs, the different labs producing them etc.
Yes Jungledoc mentioned that somewhere some scientist might be researching steroids. You really think bodybuilders have access to those? No, they use the same labs they always have.
I don't know what else to tell you. You are wrong, and arguing on a topic that you have no understanding of. I honestly cannot understand why you are trying to talk about a subject you know nothing about. Are you bored where you are? Nothing better to do? If you don't know anything about a subject then maybe close your mouth, open your ears and learn something, otherwise stop posting in threads which are beyond your knowledge.
Our opinions are different, at least we agree on something. Mine are based on research and experience, I have no idea what yours are based on.