Ryan A wrote:
Another thing about olympic lifts, not all professional trainers would agree it is worth the time to bother incorporating them into training.
I understand that some professional trainers believe there are other movement that you can incorporate into you program rather than the Olympic movements. However, few rival the power outputs of the Olympic movements.
Precisely, which movements produce the same power outputs as the Olymmpic movements? I would be interested in seeing the data on that. Please provide that, as well.
That is one of the reasons you usually find the Olympic movement performed by football players, etc.
You seem to be saying that everyone agrees
Ryan, nowhere in my post did I make that statement. However, the Olympic movements are usually a part of the majority of high school and college programs for football players some other athletes.
and I would say from looking around and reading a lot of viewpoints that professionals are probably split down the middle on how useful they are compared to doing other explosive work.
And from my research, I would say that the majority of professional believe the Olympic movements are the most effective vehicle in the development of power vs doing other explosive work.
As I noted in my previous post..."doing some type of power work is better than nothing.
In addition, there is a difference between power and speed. Just because someone is powerful, doesn't make them fast.
I am aware of the that there is a difference between power and speed. However, overall the world in the world of sports Power Rules.
Power is the combination of two things so you need not have power to be good at one of the two inputs: force or velocity. A train is powerful because it has a huge weight moving at a moderate velocity but it isn't nearly as fast as say, a very light car, just as a mountain is stronger than a train because it weighs more.
"Power = Force x Distance/Time
"Since the terms force and strength are often used interchangeably and distance divided by time is the same thing as speed, power can more simply be defined as strength multiplied by speed. Therefore
Strength x Speed = POWER.
... if an arbitrary strength score for an athlete was 2, and the athlete's arbitrary speed score also was 2, the hypothetical power rating would be:
2 x 2 = 4
Doubling strength without altering speed would double power:
4 x 2 = 8
If the same athlete made only a 50 percent gain in strength and an equal gain in speed, the power rating would be:
3 x 3 = 9"
A 10 lb ball that is dropped 42 inches deliverys 90 lbs of force.' http://www.strengthcats.com/plyobenchpress.htm
Another example is ESPN's Sports Science's sumo wrestlers vs a punch from MMA's 'Rampage' Jackson. The sumo wrestler's force production was around 1000 lbs of force. The force of "Rampage" Jackson punch was calculated at about 1800 lbs of force. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYMX_3K_xE
You probably witness many olympic lifters who are powerful and fast and also strong. That could be because the people who are best at the sport are outstanding specimens as well as intelligent athletes (or have good coaches who think for them) who know to develop all the strength qualities.
'...Fred "Dr. Squat" Hatfield. In his article, "Athletes and The Olympic Lifts", Hatfield comments: "Pound for pound, Olympic weightlifters have a greater level of speed-strength than any other class of athletes in all of sport.
So some of it came from genetics. But you can rest assured that much too came from the specialized training they undergo in that sport." Hatfield underscoring the value of the Olympic movements as a means of increasing power.
The problem is that the majority of the exercise that that are utilized to replace the Olympic movements in the development of power is that the are subpar. Subpar. meaning these movement do not measure up to the power one can develop with the Olympic movements.