Whey + Creatine + Caffeine = Performance

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Re: Whey + Creatine + Caffeine = Performance

Post by ironmaiden708 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:07 pm

Beta alanine works, no doubt about that.
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Re: Whey + Creatine + Caffeine = Performance

Post by NightFaLL » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:46 pm

The problem with those studies is that they most likely didn't have adequate protein intake to begin with.

If you have adequate protein intake, I'd be willing to put money on beta-alanine supplementation being useless.

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Re: Whey + Creatine + Caffeine = Performance

Post by stuward » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:54 pm

NightFaLL wrote:The problem with those studies is that they most likely didn't have adequate protein intake to begin with.

If you have adequate protein intake, I'd be willing to put money on beta-alanine supplementation being useless.
You might be on to something. I see great claims for Luecine and Glutamine too. How much of those advantages come from just getting enough protein.
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Re: Whey + Creatine + Caffeine = Performance

Post by ironmaiden708 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:36 pm

Beta-alanine is a buffer, these studies demonstrate that is in fact true. It's a supplement you take preworkout. What does that have to do with protein intake?
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Re: Whey + Creatine + Caffeine = Performance

Post by stuward » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:54 am

There's no question that it's a useful amino acid. The point is that it's included along with every other amino acid is you take in lots of protein from animal sources.

This is the main value of Beta Analine to me: "β-Alanine is the rate-limiting precursor of carnosine, which is to say carnosine levels are limited by the amount of available β-alanine. Supplementation with β-alanine has been shown to increase the concentration of carnosine in muscles, decrease fatigue in athletes and increase total muscular work done." (from wikipedia).

Carnosine is incredibly important both for performance and anti-aging. It is highly concentrated in muscle and brain tissues. If you don't eat red meat, you probably need more of it. Vegetarians take note.

However, if you do eat red meat and get lots of protein in general? Do you need to supplement β-alanine, carnosine or any other specific amino acid?
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Re: Whey + Creatine + Caffeine = Performance

Post by ironmaiden708 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:47 pm

I forgot about that the fact of it being a precursor to carnosine and that you should get enough from protein. But the metabolism of whole protein sources vs beta alanine will be very different, so i don't think taking protein supplementation will do much if trying to use to the same effect as beta alanine.
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