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Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:57 pm
by Arthur KnoqOut
MikeF wrote:I know I'm reviving an old thread, but I thought I should add something about magnesium supplements.

Studies have shown that amounts of ingestion of 450mg or more in healthy adult males per day can have a laxative affect. I can't remember the figures for other people. :pottytrain5:
as my first post I'd like to dedicate it to this...an adult should take AT LEAST 150 mg of magnesium in high quality supplements or diet a day :)

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 3:21 pm
by robertscott
care to explain why there big fella?

I'm not disagreeing necessarily but I would like to know your thoughts behind that

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:35 pm
by Jungledoc
MikeF wrote:Studies have shown that amounts of ingestion of 450mg or more in healthy adult males per day can have a laxative affect.
Studies have shown? Really? Surprised? The only study you would need is a study of the label of most of the laxative products on the market!

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:45 pm
by Ironman
My study of one has shown that doubling the dose of my magnesium supplement is very effective for relieving constipation. LOL

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:59 pm
by Arthur KnoqOut
robertscott wrote:care to explain why there big fella?

I'm not disagreeing necessarily but I would like to know your thoughts behind that
if that is directed towards me, that is because I've seen it's profound effects clinically with both athletes and average Joe Shmoes

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:31 am
by robertscott
it was directed at you. I was hoping you'd be a bit more scientific with your evidence

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:07 am
by Jungledoc
Arthur KnoqOut wrote:
robertscott wrote:care to explain why there big fella?

I'm not disagreeing necessarily but I would like to know your thoughts behind that
if that is directed towards me, that is because I've seen it's profound effects clinically with both athletes and average Joe Shmoes
What effects?

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:52 pm
by Arthur KnoqOut
Jungledoc wrote:
Arthur KnoqOut wrote:
robertscott wrote:care to explain why there big fella?

I'm not disagreeing necessarily but I would like to know your thoughts behind that
if that is directed towards me, that is because I've seen it's profound effects clinically with both athletes and average Joe Shmoes
What effects?
mood and insomnia was one (under stress)

another was bone strength (seemingly)

it's hard to say because if you eat a ton of veggies (like spinach for example) they will be loaded with magnesium so supplementation or transdermal magnesium may not be needed (may is the operative word)

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:57 am
by Jungledoc
Arthur KnoqOut wrote:
Jungledoc wrote:What effects?
mood and insomnia was one (under stress)

another was bone strength (seemingly)

it's hard to say because if you eat a ton of veggies (like spinach for example) they will be loaded with magnesium so supplementation or transdermal magnesium may not be needed (may is the operative word)
You're not getting it. We are hoping that you will give us something more objective than just a statement of your opinion. Can you give us a couple of references?

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:17 am
by Ironman
The recommended daily amount in the US is 350mg. The lowest of recommended values is 330 (EAR, Estimated Adequate Requirements) and depending on which one you look at you are not to exceed 400 or 420mg. I don't think they give an actual minimum, although RDI/RDA/DRI treat the recommended as a minimum.

I haven't seen any documentation on a typical amount that leads to symptomatic magnesium deficiency. It's usually rare in our culture outside of people on diuretics, or with severe vomiting, athletes, or any other mechanism for losing magnesium.

Maximal magnesium intake is probably a good idea for weight lifters, due to the increased need for ATP, and magnesium loss during exercise.

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:22 am
by stuward
jennifer wrote:Healthy persons doesn’t need to take a magnesium supplement. It is required by only those individuals suffering from excessive urinary loss of magnesium, chronic malabsorption, severe diarrhea and steatorrhea, and chronic or severe vomiting.
You would need to define what a "healthy person" is. Perhaps many unhealthy people are that way because they don't get enough magnesium. Since half the North American population is at risk for diabetes, for example, I would suggest that assuming that most people are "Healthy" is a bad assumption.

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:16 pm
by Dub
Atleast for what I've read, most athletes sometimes have deficiencies of magnesium because it's role in the performance and recovery process of muscles. Atleast when it comes to real athletes, high-end competitive ones. But it may still be possible to correct with proper nutrition. Supplementing is easier tho.

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:09 pm
by Arthur KnoqOut
Jungledoc wrote:
Arthur KnoqOut wrote:
Jungledoc wrote:What effects?
mood and insomnia was one (under stress)

another was bone strength (seemingly)

it's hard to say because if you eat a ton of veggies (like spinach for example) they will be loaded with magnesium so supplementation or transdermal magnesium may not be needed (may is the operative word)
You're not getting it. We are hoping that you will give us something more objective than just a statement of your opinion. Can you give us a couple of references?
What's there to "Get"? I answered based on my experienced with it...

I am sure I can dig up the studies but there's a difference in what happens in a lab or in a controlled (and often, ambiguous) environment vs clinical experience, I'm sure you're aware of that :)

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:58 pm
by stuward
If you eat 2 cups of spinach or swiss chard every day, you will likely get enough magnesiun.

OK, show of hands! How many here eat 2 cups a day?

Now of the people that don't come here and don't really pay attention to their diet, how many do you think eat 2 cups/day?

In fairness, pumkin seed and halibut are also good sources and almost everyone eats those every day.

Re: supplementing magnesium

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:21 pm
by Jungledoc
One of my favorite lunches is halibut on a bed of swiss chard pumpkin seed dressing.