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how important are the lower back muscles?

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:24 pm
by Gantz
if someone doesn't deadlift, squat, or do rows, should emphasis still be placed on the lower back muscles?

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:15 am
by TopShelf
your lower back muscles should be worked the same amount as your abs. you want to maintain a balance between the front and back of your core muscles. you will become stronger in your other lifts with a strong core.

Re: how important are the lower back muscles?

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:09 am
by Jungledoc
Gantz wrote:if someone doesn't deadlift, squat, or do rows, should emphasis still be placed on the lower back muscles?
Nah. What good are they if you don't dead, squat or row? Standing erect isn't important. Being able to lift things is highly over-rated. And don't forget and try military presses, or any other overhead work, cause that needs erectors, too. Oh. And walking. Walking is no big deal, either.

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU NOT DEAD, SQUAT OR ROW? I mean, I can think of reasons why you might not be able to do any one of those, but why none of them? Quadriplegia? Do you lift weights at all?

Re: how important are the lower back muscles?

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:00 am
by Proper Knob
Gantz wrote:if someone doesn't deadlift, squat, or do rows, should emphasis still be placed on the lower back muscles?
Why are you not squating, deadlifting or doing any rows?? I would say they're pretty important excercises to be doing!!

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:44 am
by ironmaiden708
Those are very important mass builder exercises. If you don't do those you might as well stay at home and let the muscles in your back and legs atophy so you become a hunch back and have horrible back pain.

Re: how important are the lower back muscles?

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:40 am
by Stephen Johnson
Gantz wrote:if someone doesn't deadlift, squat, or do rows, should emphasis still be placed on the lower back muscles?
I agree with the other commenters. Feel free to do the standard geek workout of bench presses, bicep curls and ab work, and let two thirds of your muscles sit idle.

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:35 pm
by Ironman
It could be the OP just does a lot of machine work. If that is the case, ad the lower back machine to your workout. Once you progress a little, it is time to start trying free weights. Just start out light until you get the hang of it.

However if you are doing the frat brat workout, I suppose it doesn't really matter. A lot of people don't listen until they have shoulder problems because of a muscle imbalance and their doctor refers them to a specialist who then sets them straight.

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:33 pm
by tyler
In this guy's defense...I don't do squats. Well typical squats at least. Some overhead squats with plate loaded dumbells. I throw weights in this plastic trunk I have for deadlifts, and do reverse push ups for rows. Perhaps he doesn't have access to standard gym equip.

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:47 am
by Jungledoc
He doesn't need defense. No one is accusing him of anything. He just needs to participate in the discussion after he posts a question.

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:01 pm
by Gantz
it was just a hypothetical question. my friend just moved and no longer has access to barbells and plates--only dumbbells--and plans to do some alternative exercises instead of squats, deadlift, etc. cause there's not enough weight. so he was curious about the lower back muscles. which i didn't know the answer to...

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:10 pm
by stuward

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:12 pm
by Jungledoc
Gantz wrote:it was just a hypothetical question. my friend just moved and no longer has access to barbells and plates--only dumbbells--and plans to do some alternative exercises instead of squats, deadlift, etc. cause there's not enough weight. so he was curious about the lower back muscles. which i didn't know the answer to...
Well, if he stops DLing, he loses one of the big back exercises right there. There is still a lot that one can do without barbells. There have been several threads here about exercise without weights, and there are websites devoted to that topic. Single-leg variants of both squat and DL can be done, and most of us would use less loading than we would with traditional versions, so perhaps the DBs would be enough.

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:07 pm
by Gantz
are there any particular exercises that can be substituted for squats or deads with using dumbbells or nothing at all?

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:19 am
by Jungledoc
Squats: step-ups, lunges, single-leg and split squats of various kinds, like here: http://www.exrx.net/Lists/ExList/ThighW ... hor1942303

Deads: some of the same. Long stride lunges and step-ups are supposed to hit your G max more.

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:52 am
by Stephen Johnson
I hope your friend doesn't expect to get the same results from a light dumbbell workout that he would get from one that uses heavy barbells. Because he won't.