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shoulder press - seated or standing

Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:44 am
by robertscott
used to always do a seated dumbell shoulder press, thought I'd give it a bash standing up and it's really uncomfortable. Had to drop the weight right down to do it with good posture and stop it hurting my back.

I'm wondering if doing it standing is such a good idea? I understand that it's probably better for your 'core', but i'm shifting less weight doing it so my shoulders ain't gonna get much bigger.

Having said that I've read on a t-nation article i can't find anymore that doing it seated isn't so good for you due to compressive forces on your back. My back is a constant source of gyp so I'd like to avoid that...

Thoughts/opinions appreciated as always
Bob

Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:50 am
by nygmen
Opinion:

I sat down, was able to move more weight, therefore making more progress.

My shoulders grew. (But I'm doing more of a high incline bench, than strict perpendicular press.)

Standing I'm much weaker & have less scapular mobility I guess, because I have a hard time extending overhead without increasing the arch in my back. It isn't as pronounced while seated, but still there.

From what I understand pushups & facepulls fix this. I just have to actually stop being lazy and do them.

Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:02 pm
by hoosegow
I alternate

Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:56 pm
by toby123
I used to struggle with standing shoulder presses, but I now use a 75 degree bench and do seated presses. Since then I have been making good progress.

Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:11 pm
by xshawnxearthx
i used to do them sitting.

Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:46 pm
by Ironman
It's good to do both. You can push more weight seated, but it is good for you to lift weight overhead while standing.

I usually would do the dumbbell press seated with a high back bench. That's great to get more front delt work. Then for standing I would usually do the clean and press. You get most of the back and shoulders as well as triceps, forearms and various stabilizers.

Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:50 pm
by Rucifer
Does anyone do standing dumbell shoulder presses? I do this at the gym and wonder why no one does standing dumbell but standing barbell.

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:46 pm
by quad6
but I now use a 75 degree bench
Me too. I find this safer / more comfortable than a straight 90 degree bench.

Anyone here do the clean and press?

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:42 pm
by hari
Stading shoulder press.Which makes me more strength in stabilty and shoulder development.
Anyone here do the clean and press?
Yeah,ive been doing it for mass development.but not full clean and press.
i do half clean and press like this one;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpsZeSq4 ... L&index=25

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:41 pm
by Ironman
quad6 wrote:
but I now use a 75 degree bench
Me too. I find this safer / more comfortable than a straight 90 degree bench.

Anyone here do the clean and press?
yea, That's a good one that hits a lot of muscles.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:04 pm
by frogbyte
Is it just me or is seated shoulder press with free weights kind of scary/dangerous. I only did it once and it felt like if the weight were to drift forward or back at all I had no way to stop it. If you're standing you can take a step forward/back to catch your balance.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:58 pm
by markd4863
For the people promoting a 75 degree shoulder press, can you explain how this form doesnt cause the exercise to cease being a shoulder press, and more resemble an incline bench press? I'd agree, that seems more comfortable, but am wondering if this works the deltoids.

signed - someone who does seated, entirely upright dumbell shoulder presses

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:34 pm
by toby123
markd4863 wrote:For the people promoting a 75 degree shoulder press, can you explain how this form doesnt cause the exercise to cease being a shoulder press, and more resemble an incline bench press? I'd agree, that seems more comfortable, but am wondering if this works the deltoids.

signed - someone who does seated, entirely upright dumbell shoulder presses
I can only speak for myself, but when I did the standing SP, I had a tendency to lean back almost to a 75 degree angle when it got tough. I have also tried doing the exercise with a 90 degree bench set up, but it just felt awkward. I do other shoulder exercise as well anyway (upright row).

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 3:31 pm
by nygmen
markd4863 wrote:Fo
signed - someone who does seated, entirely upright dumbell shoulder presses
LOL

See my above statement about poor scapular moblity.

And yet it makes your shoulders grow

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:38 pm
by Matt Z
I think it depends on what you're after. If you're only interested in building big deltoids, then seated overhead presses are probably just as good. However, if you're interested in developing real-world strength standing overhead presses are for superior.