pdellorto wrote:Kenny Croxdale wrote:You don't need a year and a half of study, as pdellorto, to understand how to use them.
That's not what I said. What I said was
"But it seems like if you're going to cycle st3r0!ds, it's going to take a lot of careful reading, discussion, and then buying and using on the sly. So go into this thinking "maybe after a year of solid research I might know what to do or what not to do." "
Not a year and a half of study. If you're going to refute my ideas, please refute the ones I actually have.
pdellorto,
You're right...you're never going to let me forget that are you? :(
I am old with short term memory loss...:)
I just suggested that if he's going to self-prescribe medication, he ought to research it first, and set "maybe" a year as his horizon for research. I don't think 12 months is a long time for a 25-year old to spend figuring out what he's going to want to do or not do when he's injecting meds into himself.
What makes a year of learning the magic number?
Exactly, how much education do you need prior to taking them?
I had none before I started. I had none when I started taking them. The only education that I had was written on the prescription bottle.
My first trip to Dr Earlywine in Houston, TX for anabolics. I went in and told Dr Earlywine that I wanted them to gain muscle mass. wanted steriods.
Dr Earlywine then prescribed a bottle (100 tabs) of 5 mg tabs of Dianabol. I was allowed 5 refills without seeing him.
I was to take them twice a day, 10 mg a day. He suggested that I check back with him about every 6 weeks, which I did.
My check up involved Dr Earlywine asking me how I felt that was about it.
That was my initial education. There was no internet and very few articles or books on anabolics.
I did just fine by following the direction on the bottle. So, adult who can read directions and follow them can initiate a anabolic steriod cycle.
Think of it this way. Have you ever taken a medication prescirbed by a doctor without doing research on it?
Providing you follow the protocol (directions), I can guarantee that you won't have any problems with two exceptions.
Exception 1 is that you have a pre-existing health issue.
Exception 2 is STUPIDITY. In 1982, an anabolic steriod book finally came out,
The Practical Use of Anabolic St3r0!ds With Athletes, Dr. Kerr.
I wrote Kerr about my concerns about long term use. Kerr wrote me back (I still have the letter). Kerr stated that in his 20 years of prescribing anabolic steriods for 4000 athletes, he had never seen a problem with athletes who followed directions.
Kerr went on to say that those who did have problems, were those who abused them. These idiot athletes went with the "More is better" belief.
Those problems were short term problems and resolved themselves once that athlete stopped taking them.
Thus, the biggest problem is stupid people not steriods.
A good article is "Steriods For Health" by Cy Wilson.
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_arti ... for_health
One of the interesting points how one medication "was implicated in death by medical examiners 101 times in 1998 and led to 12,815 hospital visits in that same year." This medicaion is asprin.
Let's compare that to the number of people who died from anabolic steriods in 1998. NONE!
"according to the DAWN (Drug Alert Warning Network) medical examiner data from 1998, Testosterone wasn't implicated in a single death during that year."
If John feels more comfortable faster, great, he can adjust it as he learns more. But what's the rush?
I agree with you on this point. I am a proponent doing all that you can prior to the use of anabolic steriods.
Is his t-count going to drop so far in a year that even AAS won't help him?
I agreed with you in the last post on this.
It's not like he can go try it out for a couple weeks like a workout or a sport.
Yes and no. Nelson Montana's original "Steriods For Health" prescribed 3 week cycles. You can see some results in 2-3 weeks.
From my previous personal experience with myself and others, it usually take about 2 weeks for you to begin to see results. So, I am not an advocate of Montana's 3 week cycle.
Cy Wison prescribes a 5-6 week cycle on anabolic steriods. I advocate that for a couple of reasons.
Reason 1 is that at about 4-5 weeks is where you max out on your gains with an anabolic steriod. This has to do with Hans Selye "General Adaptation Syndrome".
Thus, what initially happens is your body is producing testosterone and you begin taking testosterone/anabolic steriods...which spikes your testosterone levels...your strength and muscle mass increase almost overnight.
After about 4-5 weeks, your body adjust your testosterone production to conunter balance the testosterone/anabolic steriods you are not taking. Thus, your results slow down and will eventually come to a hault.
To continue to make progress, you must increase your dosage via taking more of the same anabolic or stacking another st3r0!d with the st3r!0d you are taking. Both mean you need to increase you dosage.
Thus, you have to keep taking more and more and increasing the length of your cycle (taking it for weeks or months) to continue to make progress.
There is a "Ying/Yang" problem with this. One of the "Ying/Yang" problems is the longer you are on, the longer it takes your body to start back "manufacturing" testosterone.
So, if you're on for 16 weeks/4 months as the article Gantz posted, it's going to take you about 16 weeks/4 months for your own testosterone production to kick back in.
However, you can jump start your testosterone production with hCG, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin...another topic for another time.
A much better method is 6 weeks/6 weeks off. A steriod cycle is no different than a weight training cycle.
It's a significant investment in time, money, potential legal problems, etc. and personally, I'd rather see him take extra time than rush into it.
I don't see those as problems in an initial program. The problem is in obtaining them.
(Editing later - I bow to Kenny's personal experience on this.
I appreicate that.
But Kenny, you had in-person guidance on how to use it and doctor-prescribed AAS.
In the long term, I did. However, in the beginning I was clueless. I followed the directions on the bottle.
With that said, there is a plethora of information on the internet and books on how to administer it. These book and article provide you with directions.
John's got this website and wherever we point him, and pretty low odds of getting prescribed meds he can sure contain what they claim to contain. That's again why I'm suggesting he go into this cautiously and carefully.)
