Sucking It In
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I found that changing my routine, started really blasting my abs more. I added in lying flexed leg cable pulls (not with any intention of abs, but to have a pull style leg compound...and deads are not a pull...not for your legs, they ain't...they're a straightening motion.) And I think despite all the stuff about how they are not intended to hit your abs, I think you get a lot of parasitc ab help as well. Of course, farmer's walk and SLDL are probably helping my core as well. But I really think the bent leg pulls are blasting the overall stabilization.
I confess to not knowing what the TVA is or even understanding the argument. Just figured I'd chip in...
I confess to not knowing what the TVA is or even understanding the argument. Just figured I'd chip in...
To answer the question, it is the transverse abdominus. It is the muscles that are under the rectus abdominus and obliques. It wraps around the internal organs. You use these muscles when you suck in your gut. They come in quite handy for pushing things out of the body regardless what it is or which way it goes out.
Vacuums, etc.
I meant to bring up the question about vacuums, and also hang-gut (at least I thought that was the term, but searching online I found nothing). So, the consensus is vacuums are moderately helpful -- any guidelines on how long, how often?
The other thing I'm taking away is the totality of posture -- all these elements have to be in some degree of alignment to make a difference. i.e., I noticed sitting meditation style (crossed legs, "Indian style," on the floor with back straight) my quads seem to be pulling me down, my upper back rounds, and my core doesn't have the strength to prop up my torso against the downward-pulling force.
Anyways...still working, working.
The other thing I'm taking away is the totality of posture -- all these elements have to be in some degree of alignment to make a difference. i.e., I noticed sitting meditation style (crossed legs, "Indian style," on the floor with back straight) my quads seem to be pulling me down, my upper back rounds, and my core doesn't have the strength to prop up my torso against the downward-pulling force.
Anyways...still working, working.
Are you referring to http://www.yogabasics.com/seated-yoga-p ... table.html perhaps?
ApolytonGP is probably doing them wrong. The knees are only along for the ride. It's a glute/lower back exercise and you're pulling the bar to your body with the glutes and lower back. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp (or grip)?KPj wrote:.....That old chestnut....ApolytonGP wrote:and deads are not a pull...not for your legs, they ain't...they're a straightening motion.
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Worrying about "push" vs. "pull" for the legs is silly, IMO. "Hip dominant" and "Quad dominant" work better for me in determining where an exercise fits. Some are fairly equal (trap bar deadlifts seem to fit in the middle for a lot of people), some are really quad dominant (leg press, front squat), some are hip dominant (deadlift, back squat). They all fit on a continuum, though, before anyone starts posting about how quads help back squats and how weak hips mean weak front squats, okay? I pull the bar down on bench presses but it's still a push. ;)stuward wrote:ApolytonGP is probably doing them wrong. The knees are only along for the ride. It's a glute/lower back exercise and you're pulling the bar to your body with the glutes and lower back. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp (or grip)?KPj wrote:.....That old chestnut....ApolytonGP wrote:and deads are not a pull...not for your legs, they ain't...they're a straightening motion.
But push vs. pull? Dude, you pull the bar off the floor. You'll feel it in the same muscles you'd feel a heavy row or rope tow or pullups...that's why people put a deadlift in pulls.
Yep, that's the way to think about it.pdellorto wrote:Worrying about "push" vs. "pull" for the legs is silly, IMO. "Hip dominant" and "Quad dominant" work better for me in determining where an exercise fits. Some are fairly equal (trap bar deadlifts seem to fit in the middle for a lot of people), some are really quad dominant (leg press, front squat), some are hip dominant (deadlift, back squat). They all fit on a continuum, though, before anyone starts posting about how quads help back squats and how weak hips mean weak front squats, okay? I pull the bar down on bench presses but it's still a push. ;)stuward wrote:ApolytonGP is probably doing them wrong. The knees are only along for the ride. It's a glute/lower back exercise and you're pulling the bar to your body with the glutes and lower back. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp (or grip)?KPj wrote: .....That old chestnut.... :sleepy1:
But push vs. pull? Dude, you pull the bar off the floor. You'll feel it in the same muscles you'd feel a heavy row or rope tow or pullups...that's why people put a deadlift in pulls.
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It's mostly a leg exercise. For the legs, the motion at both knee and hip joints is extension, not flexion.
For the arms, there is the equivalent of a heavily loaded isometric in the pull/flexion direction. (no dynamic movement, you don't actually row the thing and flex your elbows, or pull your upper arms up at the shoulder).
For the arms, there is the equivalent of a heavily loaded isometric in the pull/flexion direction. (no dynamic movement, you don't actually row the thing and flex your elbows, or pull your upper arms up at the shoulder).
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