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caffeine or carbs for working out

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:41 am
by Immortal
What helps more caffeine or carbs and which gives you more pwoer? I know you can take both to get the full strength from them both but can you drink caffeine with no carbs to get good anergy and eat protein so you can get cut? Or is caffeien without carbs dangerous?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:02 pm
by NightFaLL
Not dangerous, I do it all the time.

I did an Ephedrine/Caffeine stack while on a PSMF diet (90% of calories from protein).

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:14 pm
by Immortal
how did that turn out?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:17 pm
by NightFaLL
I did it pre-spring break for 2-3 weeks, I dropped about 3-5% body fat (15+% to 10-12%)

So, I'd say the diet works well.

As for the E/C on an empty stomach, I feel it's more potent. So, if you're sensitive to stims, be careful.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:33 pm
by Immortal
Did you feel out of energy at all?

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:45 pm
by NightFaLL
nah, not really.

I'm carb resistant, though. Lots of carbs just make me feel sleepy.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:12 pm
by frogbyte
I'll sometimes do 100mg caffeine pre-workout. I only do it on weekends, since I feel like it impacts how long it takes me to go to sleep. Caffeine is the only supplement I've ever taken that seems to have a noticeable impact on my workout. My rough estimate would be on a 4x10 series, it seems to be worth an extra 2-4 reps on the last set.

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:32 am
by caangelxox
I am thinking of maybe getting caffeine powder. I have tried jack3d a few times and it just makes me bloated until I wake up the next morning and I hate it

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:54 am
by frogbyte
Some bloating seems like a fair trade-off for lottery winnings. Nothing's free after all.

Re: caffeine or carbs for working out

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:19 am
by Kenny Croxdale
Immortal wrote:What helps more caffeine or carbs and which gives you more pwoer? I know you can take both to get the full strength from them both but can you drink caffeine with no carbs to get good anergy and eat protein so you can get cut? Or is caffeien without carbs dangerous?
Immortal,

Caffeine will boost you energy level more than carbohydrates.

Carbohydrates are already stored in your muscle tissue as glycogen. With most type fo training you have more than enough glycogen stored in your muscle to get you through a workout with some left over.

A problem with ingesting carbohydrates just prior to workout is they shut down fat from being utilized as fuel. Carbohydrates trigger the release of insulin.

One of the characteristics of insulin is that it blocks body fat from being utilzied as fuel.

Thus, if you going to take any carbohydrates prior to your workout, do so about an hour before hand and ingest low glycemic index foods.

Low glycemic index foods create a very small release of insulin. Taken about an hour prior to your workout, means that any insulin that was triggered by the carbohydrates is minimal.

Kenny Croxdale

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:33 am
by Kenny Croxdale
NightFaLL wrote:Not dangerous, I do it all the time.
NightFaLL,

Ingesting carbohydrates with caffeine at the same time doesn't make much sense. It somewhat like trying to go two different directions at the same time. I noted why in another post.
I did an Ephedrine/Caffeine stack while on a PSMF diet (90% of calories from protein).
Might I suggest that when acronomys are used, they be "spelled out". That because that many individuals have no idea of what you talking about.

With that stated, PSMF should not be confused with PMS. PSMF = Protein Sparing Motified Fast. This diet for all practical purposes is The Stillman Diet.

PMS = a diet for women that is composed of carbohydrates topped with layers of chocolate.

Kenny Croxdale

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:22 am
by NightFaLL
Ah yes, I wrote out the Ephedrine/Caffeine part but then forgot to do the PSMF part!

And I meant that I take caffeine without carbohydrates all the time and that it isn't dangerous. I'm not sure what was confusing about that.

Whenever I'm trying to cut weight, I restrict carbs pretty heavily (less than 75g/day) and I find caffeine is the only thing that keeps me going.

Oh, also, I should add - I'm a caffeine junkie, so caffeine is really part of my diet 24/7, no matter what I'm doing.

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:34 pm
by Jungledoc
So, you still haven't told us what "PSMF" stands for.

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:42 pm
by NightFaLL
Jungledoc wrote:So, you still haven't told us what "PSMF" stands for.
Kenny did, Protein-Sparing Modified Fast.

If done correctly, it's about the fastest possible way to lose fat - if done incorrectly (Without the write vitamin/mineral supplements) it can be dangerous.