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Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:43 am
by Silhorn
Hi,
When doing seated DB shoulder presses I would usually use the seat with a bit on incline.
I recently tried using a chair that was 90 degree straight up but I found that I couldn't bring my arms straight up.
I could only get my arms all the way if I tilted them forwards towards the ground.

Just wondering, why is this?
Is my body too tight or just different for everybody...

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:50 am
by Ironman
Your rotator cuffs are tight, and you lost range of motion in the shoulders. You probably need some corrective exercises and soft tissue work. Internal and external rotation, and face pulls (high row) would be good. Change vertical pull from wide grip to medium or narrow, and add bent-over or prone laterals (like the lateral raise but either bent over or laying prone on an incline bench). That should build up rear delts.

A foam roller for the upper back, and a lacrosse ball for the shoulders helps.
This article discusses it, and has links to videos showing how to use the aforementioned items.
http://articles.elitefts.com/training-a ... unctional/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:26 am
by Jungledoc
Great link. I have the same issues!

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:03 am
by Ironman
Me too. My ROM never got nearly that bad, but it was limited. Mostly I just had shoulder pain. Strengthening my rotator cuffs and loosening them up helped a lot.

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:10 am
by Silhorn
Thanks for the advice.

Will try try those listed.

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:21 am
by mohamed
Sorry mr.ironman but some thing u say it i can't understand it
Mr.silhorn say he can't straighten his arms and your answer tell his rotator cuff is tight why this?
Because i know that suprspaintus muscle raise your arms till 30 dgree and supscaplaries doing internal rotation and nfrspaintus doing extrnal rotation???

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:26 am
by Ironman
Tight rotator cuffs decrease shoulder mobility and range of motion. That is only part of it though. He has weak rear delts, and needs to get them as strong as the front. Keep in mind the bottom position for the shoulder press involves being fully externally rotated.
http://exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you understand?

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:10 pm
by mohamed
Yes yes i understand you
But i have 2 comments
1- i see he hasn't any problem in his rotator cuff muscles because he can make behaind the neck position simply
2- could the problem in interior deltoid inflexbility or weak rear deltoid as you say
????

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:32 am
by Ironman
I didn't see any mention of behind the neck.

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:04 pm
by mohamed
Ironman wrote:I didn't see any mention of behind the neck.
I mean he can rotate his arm externaly with no problem thus he can do it behaind the neck

Re: Can't use 90 degree chair on shoulder press...why

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:48 pm
by Jungledoc
mohamed wrote:
Ironman wrote:I didn't see any mention of behind the neck.
I mean he can rotate his arm externaly with no problem thus he can do it behaind the neck
Not necessarily. Nor should he-behind the neck presses put a lot of stress on the anterior rotator cuff.