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Post by ironmaiden708 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:53 am

Well said, but they have controlled Congress for awhile... UGH.
They don't have the control they need though, they need a higher amount of D in the senate and House and need a D president to really make the changes that they want.


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Post by nygmen » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:11 am

ironmaiden708 wrote:
Well said, but they have controlled Congress for awhile... UGH.
They don't have the control they need though, they need a higher amount of D in the senate and House and need a D president to really make the changes that they want.
I guess...

I've got my fingers crossed it happens in a few weeks.

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Post by hoosegow » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:48 am

D or R. It is all the same. We need some anarchists, nihilists and constitutionalists. Hell, I'll take a few communists and socialists as well. The two party system seems to have failed. I want neither party to be in control. Then people might actually have to think and use their brains on issues and not just vote down party lines. I do hate the democrats, but make no bones about it. My new found hatred for the republicans now knows no bounds either. I am abstaining from voting this year because I don't want to be responsible for putting another idiot in congress or in the white house - democrat or republican. Hell, my write in candidate might be Palahuniuk.

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Post by Matt Z » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:47 pm

"If you don't mind me asking, how expensive was your school?" - nygmen

It's been a few years, so I don't know what it's up to now (price went up every year I was there). However, I'm sure you can look it up ... York College of Pennsylvania.

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Post by Matt Z » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:56 pm

"They don't have the control they need though, they need a higher amount of D in the senate and House and need a D president to really make the changes that they want." - ironmaiden708

I don't like the idea of one party controlling everything. That's part of the reason I'm voting for McCain.


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Post by Matt Z » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:12 pm

By the way, I don't think McCain is a prefect candidate. There ARE a number of things about him I don't like, but overall I still prefer him to Obama.

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Post by ironmaiden708 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:17 pm

I don't like the idea of one party controlling everything. That's part of the reason I'm voting for McCain.
Thats how it was for bush from 2000-2006 and look where that got us.

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Post by nygmen » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:18 am

Matt Z wrote:"If you don't mind me asking, how expensive was your school?" - nygmen

It's been a few years, so I don't know what it's up to now (price went up every year I was there). However, I'm sure you can look it up ... York College of Pennsylvania.
http://www.ycp.edu/admissions/208.htm

Ouch…

You would think at almost 100% more for York undergrad than my lowly state schools post, they could afford Professors that knew what they were talking about…

Damn that’s a lot per semester, but then again, it’s no Miami.

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Post by Matt Z » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:44 pm

"Thats how it was for bush from 2000-2006 and look where that got us." - ironmaiden708

That's exactly my point. I don't want either party controling everything.

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Post by Matt Z » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:42 pm

I think politics is like a pendulum. Durring the Clinton years the democrats gradually lost control of congress until the republicans gained control of both houses, and eventually the presidency. Then durring the Bush years the republicans gradually lost control. Now the pendulum has swung left once more.

Neither party can hold onto power for long because neither party really represents the majority. Meanwhile, most of the time the two partys hold each other in check. The dangerous times are when either party controls everything.

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Post by Ironman » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:26 am

The thing is, the republicans have been moving way to the right lately. They have also become rather totalitarian. They did not used to be like that. They are going to keep fading unless the become more of a moderate party.

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Post by ellerbus » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:16 am

Ironman wrote:The thing is, the republicans have been moving way to the right lately. They have also become rather totalitarian. They did not used to be like that. They are going to keep fading unless the become more of a moderate party.
The beauty of the constitution. If the left gets too left, or the right gets too right, the citizens legally revolt.

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Post by TimD » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:30 am

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The beauty of the constitution. If the left gets too left, or the right gets too right, the citizens legally revolt.[/quote]

Well, the way I see it, that's pretty much what happened a few days ago. The fact checkers/pollsters etc have determined it wasn't just one group that went heavily for the result, but rather all groups swung that way. I'm center right myself, personally, but the way I see it, the right wing fringe has ijacked the party, and got just what they deserved, "throw the bums out". Now, the new power has to toe the line, as both Mr.;s Obama and Emanuelle have publickly stated, to get closer to the center and get things done, or they might be the next to go (especially if they can't keep Pelosi, Reid and Wrangell in check). They're up against several different crisis', and as in the other thread, proably won't be able to deal with all of them at once, and in order to get the e oconomy fixed, they can't afford to try and take the far left approach and ram it through the right wing, they HAVE to get center,reach out, and get a good compromise that the PUBLIC can live with.
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Post by ironmaiden708 » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:01 pm

It would be a very dumb idea of the democrats to be extreme liberals with their actions. If they do that then they will lose the control of the house and senate then it will be near impossible to get anything passed.

The GOP is a absolute mess at this moment. This election they managed to only grab the racists/R. reagan/very religous/ and the crowd that truely believe his policies were better. They have next to nothing in power and will stay that way unless they start trying to appeal to a new crowd. Their ideology is old school, the US today nothing like it was 10-20 years ago. The populations of minorities are too great for them to be ignored and still be able to win an election (gays, hispanics, women, blacks, etc). At the same time, the GOP was been doomed in this election. But also they GOP made many mistakes, besides not appealing to an audience that could allow them to win they messed up alot. A huge one was the choice of Sarah Palin. The GOPs idea was to appeal to those 'tough' independent white women that were hardcore Hillary supporters. Well, they failed to realise that those women arn't stupid and only would vote for her because shes a women (some did though). Palin is stupid as hell and should not ever have been chosen, McCain lost more than he gained from her. Sad enough is that the McCain campaign advisors are throwing her under the bus even though its THERE fault for choosing her, pathetic situation.
Neither party can hold onto power for long because neither party really represents the majority
At this moment the democratic party represents a good chunk of the population. It's not possible to represent everyone. Because the goal of the democrats is to be left but moderate about it they should do a good job of appealing to alot of audiences.
I think politics is like a pendulum.
I think its more like a sin curve.

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Post by Matt Z » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:37 pm

I think both partys have moved away from the center and I don't see this changing any time soon. For example, I fully expect to see one or more new gun control initiatives introduced in congress in the near future.

Meanwhile, I disagree that the republican party needs to become more moderate to survive (although I would like to see a more moderate party). They need only wait for the public to becomes frustrated with the democrats. That's what keeps the pendulum swinging. Change is constant, but new ideas are few and far between.


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