Selling our soul
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"Yes they control both houses and so what? So your back to assuming that they would do that. You are completely disreguarding the fact that it is in nobodies best interest to do that. Democrats would lose all their gained power by 2010 if they decided to abuse their power." - Ironmaiden
Why would the democrats, who are generally left of center, choose to appoint and confirm a Supreme Court justice who is conservative? That doesn't make any sense. Would you expect the republicans to pick a liberal justice under the same circumstances?
Why would the democrats, who are generally left of center, choose to appoint and confirm a Supreme Court justice who is conservative? That doesn't make any sense. Would you expect the republicans to pick a liberal justice under the same circumstances?
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"Again completly ignoring the fact that he it setting up a administration full of people from the major parties. So yes I truely believe he will be left but moderate." - Ironmaiden
I think it's a good sign, but I lack your confidence. Choosing moderate and conservative advisors is one thing. Actually listening to them is something else. Likewise, Obama may turn out to be moderate on some issues (the economy for example), and still remain very liberal on others (gun control, abortion, etc.).
I think it's a good sign, but I lack your confidence. Choosing moderate and conservative advisors is one thing. Actually listening to them is something else. Likewise, Obama may turn out to be moderate on some issues (the economy for example), and still remain very liberal on others (gun control, abortion, etc.).
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"You seem to believe that the democrats are power hungry ratts that want to take away all rights and make the US one large prison." - Ironmaiden
All politicians are power hungry. Do you think they rise to power by accident? I don't trust either party. That's why I don't like having one party controlling everything.
All politicians are power hungry. Do you think they rise to power by accident? I don't trust either party. That's why I don't like having one party controlling everything.
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"Explain to me how the supreme court could possibly interpret the second amendment as saying that no person can own a gun? 2nd Amendment A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." - Ironmaiden
The argument hinges on the Militia reference. As absurd as it might sound the liberal justices argue that the Second Amendment is not an individual right, but rather the right of the states to maintain state militias.
The argument hinges on the Militia reference. As absurd as it might sound the liberal justices argue that the Second Amendment is not an individual right, but rather the right of the states to maintain state militias.
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"Also the supreme court cannot just pull this topic out of their ass and legislate it, it has to be presented to them as a court case or created by the legislature." - Ironmaiden
Court cases are appealed all the time. An activist court wouldn't have to wait very long for a chance to revisit an issue.
Court cases are appealed all the time. An activist court wouldn't have to wait very long for a chance to revisit an issue.
The Supreme court
The Supreme court does interpret the constitution but they *CAN'T* change it. Repealing an amendment requires a 2 thirds majority AND 3 quarters of all states. Besides that the 2nd amendment is in the Bill of rights. There is no legal precedence for changing anything in the bill of rights. I would dare say it would be considered taboo.
*IF* a new gun law was created, you would have 4 justices who would not find it unconstitutional. There are 4 liberals. There are 4 conservatives (thanks to Bush) and just 1 moderate (also thanks to Bush). The law would be struck down as unconstitutional.
(1 moderate and 1 conservative were replaced by 2 conservatives.)
There are 2 justices who are old, they are both liberal. They will be replaced by other liberals. change=0.
Next point, there are not enough votes to pass said law let alone break a philibuster.
another point, There are too many other things to be done right with the economy and 2 wars going on. Healthcare, the national debt, SS and medicare.......
Yet another point. These people want to get elected again.
This kind of goes along with that last one, but the DNC wants to keep Democrats in power and expand their lead. They know they must behave in order to do that. They will have their people on a short leash.
The NRA has a lobby and money. So do gun manufactures. Parks rely on hunting revenue. Hunting eliminates need to control overpopulation of animals.
How many reasons do I need for why it isn't going to happen anyway?
*IF* a new gun law was created, you would have 4 justices who would not find it unconstitutional. There are 4 liberals. There are 4 conservatives (thanks to Bush) and just 1 moderate (also thanks to Bush). The law would be struck down as unconstitutional.
(1 moderate and 1 conservative were replaced by 2 conservatives.)
There are 2 justices who are old, they are both liberal. They will be replaced by other liberals. change=0.
Next point, there are not enough votes to pass said law let alone break a philibuster.
another point, There are too many other things to be done right with the economy and 2 wars going on. Healthcare, the national debt, SS and medicare.......
Yet another point. These people want to get elected again.
This kind of goes along with that last one, but the DNC wants to keep Democrats in power and expand their lead. They know they must behave in order to do that. They will have their people on a short leash.
The NRA has a lobby and money. So do gun manufactures. Parks rely on hunting revenue. Hunting eliminates need to control overpopulation of animals.
How many reasons do I need for why it isn't going to happen anyway?
While we are talking about rights. I ought to mention some we lost already.
Thanks to Bush, your phone can be tapped without a warrant. You can then be held in prison without charge or trial indefinitely. As in, until you die.
Lucky for us That stuff should be going away.
Some rights can be restored with executive orders, some require breaking a republican philibuster.
The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper! -George W Bush
Thanks to Bush, your phone can be tapped without a warrant. You can then be held in prison without charge or trial indefinitely. As in, until you die.
Lucky for us That stuff should be going away.
Some rights can be restored with executive orders, some require breaking a republican philibuster.
The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper! -George W Bush
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"The Supreme court does interpret the constitution but they *CAN'T* change it. Repealing an amendment requires a 2 thirds majority AND 3 quarters of all states. Besides that the 2nd amendment is in the Bill of rights. There is no legal precedence for changing anything in the bill of rights. I would dare say it would be considered taboo." - Ironman
No, the Supreme Court can't repeal an amendment, but it can overturn a previous Supreme Court ruling. If the Supreme Court rules that there is no individual right to keep and bear arms, as some argue, then there would be no need to repeal the Second Amendment.
No, the Supreme Court can't repeal an amendment, but it can overturn a previous Supreme Court ruling. If the Supreme Court rules that there is no individual right to keep and bear arms, as some argue, then there would be no need to repeal the Second Amendment.
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Also, I don't expect congress to ban ALL guns. I would however expect attempts to ban all handguns, all semi-auto rifles, pump and semi-auto shotguns, high-cap magazines, etc.
Likewise, it's not just congress that concerns me. Without the protections currently afforded by the Second Amendment state legislatures could pass their own gun bans. So could towns and citys.
Likewise, it's not just congress that concerns me. Without the protections currently afforded by the Second Amendment state legislatures could pass their own gun bans. So could towns and citys.