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Post by Jebus » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:43 pm

Speaking about bombs, kids in the US die or get injured all the time from simple home-made explosives. Especially on or around special events like Independence day. Michael Yon is currently working on a book about this subject.

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Post by Matt Z » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:50 am

That's not too surprising.

By the way, it was never my intension to debate the effectiveness of gun control. I was just pointing out that before before forming an opinion about a subject (any subject) people should first bother to educate themselves about that subject.

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Post by hoosegow » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:08 am

Matt Z wrote:In biblical times there were lions in Southern Europe and the Middle East. In fact, there were still lions in parts of the Middle East and North Africa until pretty recently.
Those were asiatic lions according to the scientific Wiki page I read.
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Post by Dub » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:44 am

How about some Paleo musical up in this thread?

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Post by hoosegow » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:59 pm

For an absolute complete waste of time and to serve absolutely no purpose...

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Post by hoosegow » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:06 pm

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Post by Oscar_Actuary » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:33 pm

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Post by Jebus » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:11 am

Who's your favourite superhero? Mine's Batman. I know he's not, "super," because he lacks supernatural powers but thats what makes him so great, is that he can be anyone. He's more than just a person, he's an idea. I just saw the Dark Knight Rises (twice) so I might be a little biased but he's so uncompromisingly heroic, so with that and more I'd say he's number 1.

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Post by stuward » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:41 am

Batman always had the best villains.

Do you think that DC comics have been covered in films adequately, compared to Marvel Comic? Batman and Superman aside, I don't don't think the rest of the lineup has had the exposure that Marvel has had. X-Men and Avengers vs Justice Society and Justice League.
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Post by Jebus » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:55 am

Yeah, Marvel has had way more exposure but the quality in the recent DC films make up for it. Man of Steel looks promising, Christopher Nolan is working on it so it must be good lol. I hope they make a Justice League, but I don't want them to rush the other characters like they did for the Avengers.

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Post by stuward » Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:00 am

I think DC has the ability to do a good job on minor characters, like Jonah Hex. I'd like to see Wonder Woman revisited and Flash needs some screen time. All this Avenger stuff is a little overkill.
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Post by robertscott » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:29 am

hoosegow wrote:To continue...

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Post by hoosegow » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:15 pm

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Post by Ironman » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:12 am

I have a rather unusual take on gun laws. On the one hand I would like to close loop holes that allow people to get guns without a background check. I also think you should need to get some sort of license, where you prove you are not crazy, no criminal record, and that you are generally a responsible adult. Also be able to show you can operate firearms safely, that you aren't a total dumb ass, you can go hunting without shooting your friend in the face (sorry Dick, no guns for you), you can follow safety instructions, etc; classes available of course if one needs them.

Then once you have that, that is your pass to have anything you want, when you want it, in unlimited quantity. Open carry, concealed carry, going down the street strapped like Rambo, whatever you want. You walk into a gun shop, place your order, pay, and walk out with a whole cart full of hand guns and rifles plus, a whole palate of ammo. No hand grenades or mounted 50 cal machine guns, but whatever else you want.

Then make gun theft, and getting caught with stolen guns a federal crime.


I have to call bull$h1t on people's primary reason for having guns though. 99.99999999999% are not prepared to fight the sort of long term bloody guerrilla/insurgent style war required to overthrow an oppressive government.

I also think the 2nd amendment stipulates one must be in the national guard (militias were turned into that). I don't care what the court says, that's what the amendment says. It's a moot point though considering the 9th amendment. That one is basically your freedom blank check so to speak.

So yea, it's kind of out there, but it seems logical to me.


Now as far as pointing to either stricter or looser gun laws making things more or less safe, I call bull$h1t on all of the above. No matter which position you take, there is evidence that supports you, and evidence that contradicts. I think this shows that the strictness or looseness of the laws is nothing but a red herrings. There are probably other factors involved that are actually responsible for differences in murder rates, and violence. As far as I know, we don't know what most of those factors are.

There are a lot of gun deaths in the us. Given black markets, would a gun ban really change that? Do gun owners really stop crimes in any significant number?
I am very skeptical of both of those things, in fact I would even feel confident answering with a simple "no" on both counts.

The truth is we don't know what drives those, or what would reduce them. People frequently claim they know, but they don't have any proper evidence at all.

My best guess is that those numbers rise and fall with violent crimes in general. The biggest factors in that tends to be poverty, something to have a dispute over (usually black market items like drugs), being raised in such an environment.

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Re: Random crap

Post by hoosegow » Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:56 pm

See Ironman, we agree on most things.

But...
Ironman wrote: I don't care what the court says, that's what the amendment says.
That sounds kind of funny coming from you.
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