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Re: Random crap

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:22 pm
by Matt Z
Today I finished reading "My India" by Jim Corbett.

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:14 am
by Proper Knob
Jungledoc wrote:I don't believe that the US has more gun crime than any other country.
It doesn't, and far from it. The latest data shows that the US has an average of 3 homicides per 100,000 people a year involving a firearm, the UK at 0.1 and Jamaica at 39.4!!

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:18 am
by stuward
If you're going to compare a country against a Central American country, anyone would look good. Central America and Caribean countries dominate this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Probably a better comparison would be to compare the US to other first world countires like Canada, Australia, Japan or Europe. By that comparison, even Canada looks bad. In Canada's case it's largely gang violence in Western Canada.

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:13 am
by Proper Knob
stuward wrote:If you're going to compare a country against a Central American country, anyone would look good.
I was just refuting Nevages point that the US has more gun crime than any other country.

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:20 am
by Proper Knob
The latest data for gun deaths per 100,000 population.

Canada - 0.3
US - 3.0
Japan - 0.0 (only 11 deaths by firearm in 2008)
Australia - 0.1
New Zealand - 0.2
Germany - 0.2
France - 0.1
UK - 0.1
Norway - 0.1
Finland - 0.4

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:30 am
by hoosegow
You can make stats to say whatever you want to say.http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... 000-people

US... Not even in the top 50.

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:50 am
by stuward
Every one of the countries with higher murder rates than the US is either a third world country or has recently had a civil war(s).

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:53 am
by Proper Knob
hoosegow wrote:US... Not even in the top 50.
We were talking specifically about gun homicides. You'd hope that a first world democracy wouldn't come anywhere near the top 50 in the list you linked.

Incidentally the average for the EU on that list is 1.71 with the US coming in at 5.9.

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:55 pm
by hoosegow
Make them stats dance Knob!

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:01 pm
by Proper Knob
hoosegow wrote:Make them stats dance Knob!
They dance all on their own.

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:37 pm
by robertscott
Proper Knob wrote:
hoosegow wrote:Make them stats dance Knob!
They dance all on their own.
like me. In a nightclub.

I'm so lonely

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:44 pm
by stuward
Does anyone know how to find the earliest instance of a quote on the internet? I can't find any search engine that allows you to get the oldest refernce. It seems to me that this would be an important feature to journalists, lawyers and researchers, so there must be a way.

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:52 pm
by Matt Z
"Probably a better comparison would be to compare the US to other first world countires like Canada, Australia, Japan or Europe. By that comparison, even Canada looks bad. In Canada's case it's largely gang violence in Western Canada." - stuward

That depends on how you look at it. Economically the US is much closer to Western Europe and Japan, but physically it's much closer to Mexico. That must have some effect considering the murder rate in Mexico is so much higher than that of the US.

If Austria had a murder rate as high as Mexico, wouldn't you expect some of that violence to spill over into neighboring countries?

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:56 pm
by Matt Z
"We were talking specifically about gun homicides." - Proper Knob

Isn't the total murder rate a more signifigant stat. Dead is dead after all, regardless of the murder weapon.

Re: Random crap

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:05 pm
by Matt Z
Also, many of the most violent countries on this list have gun laws that are far more restrictive than those of the US.