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Re: Gun Control

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:30 pm
by xshawnxearthx
Jungledoc wrote:I've found that too much caffeine interferes with this. For competition, you can take small doses of beta blockers. I don't know if that is contrary to any rules or not, but it makes you a little steadier. Other than that, good control requires practice. The old procedure of taking a deep breath, letting it about half-way out then holding while steadily squeezing the trigger has stood the test of time.
It's funny, I grew up with this knowledge. I recently took a beginner handgun course, and the one thing these "instructors" tried to drill in was inhale a deep breath, and exhale is all. I was like "wait, wut?'

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:35 pm
by Ironman
Yea I hear a lot of supposed things for which there is no evidence.

I promise you in 2016 nothing will have happened, and there will be a new scare about gun bans by the next Democrat who runs.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:46 am
by Matt Z
I still think it's unwise to become too complacent.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:27 am
by hoosegow
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:33 pm
by Oscar_Actuary
gross
lol

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:31 am
by Ironman
Well we might be struck by lightening too.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:14 pm
by Jebus
I think Matt is referring to their short discussion on automatic weapons. I think it was in the 2nd debate (?) or the third? I only saw those two.

I did a search on the transcripts but didn't find anything... which is weird because I remember Romney saying, "There is already a ban on automatic weapons (rifles)."

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:09 am
by Proper Knob
I've moved the discussion here.
Matt Z wrote:therefore I don't see how you can reasonably credit gun control for the UK's low murder rate.
I didn't mention the murder rate, i mentioned the murder rate by firearm. I know it's a complicated issue and that there is no one single factor which underpins it all, but i do think it's striking that all the so called inudustrialised nations, bar the US, have strict gun control laws and all have very low murder rates by firearm. The US in comparison which doesn't have as strict gun control laws has a significantly higher murder rate by firearm.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:01 am
by strathmeyer
Correlation is not causation.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:26 pm
by Proper Knob
strathmeyer wrote:Correlation is not causation.
Too true. It is though something to ponder over.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:28 pm
by strathmeyer
People likely to be murdered protect themselves with guns. All I have to ponder about is why people use tragedy to enforce a worldview that makes others unsafe.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:53 pm
by Matt Z
"I didn't mention the murder rate, i mentioned the murder rate by firearm." - Proper Knob

A) Wouldn't one naturally assume some relationship between the total murder rate and the rate of firearms-related murders.

B) For me at least, the total murder rate is the more important statistic. Dead is dead. What offends you more, the fact that someone was murdered, or the fact that the killer happened to use a firearm?

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:15 pm
by stuward
Matt Z wrote:... Wouldn't one naturally assume some relationship between the total murder rate and the rate of firearms-related murders.
...
There's about a 90% correlation.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's interesting that in countries that have a lot of guns, like US, Canada, Switzerland, the number of firearm suicides is higher than firearm homicides.

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:19 pm
by Oscar_Actuary
I notice the same for pill overdosing, hanging, wrist slashing, and bridge jumping.

odd

Re: Gun Control

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:56 pm
by Matt Z
"It's interesting that in countries that have a lot of guns, like US, Canada, Switzerland, the number of firearm suicides is higher than firearm homicides." - stuward

Makes sense when you think about it ... A bullet to the brain is about as quick and painless a method as I can think of.

However, reducing access to firearms wouldn't neccissarily reduce the total suicide rate. I'm pretty sure the suicide rate in Japan is higher than that of the US.