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lats exercises

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:29 am
by mohamed
Since i doing lat pulldown exercise yeastrday and i asking myself why all exercises of lats depnding on arm flexion although the insertion of latissimus muscle in tubercular groove or let say at humerus ,thus the movement must come from shoulder (adduction) to make lats working well
Can i find some explaining?

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:56 pm
by Dub
With the same logic, You could ask why do we squat or do leg presses to get bigger quads, why not just extend the knee?
Some exercises use just flexion or adduction of the humerus. Bigger compound exercises don't. Bigger exercises use more muscles, you get more benefit from those exercises. Isolation work is only one tool. Straight-arm pull-down is one example of this kind of lat-driven exercise.

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:50 pm
by mohamed
First all your words i agree with it but why i didn't see any exercise for lat with out arm flexion at any gym (just 1 i remeberd it just now from high pully and do shoulder extision)
Second can you give me link of pic-video for lat driven exercise?

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:23 pm
by stuward
mohamed wrote:First all your words i agree with it but why i didn't see any exercise for lat with out arm flexion at any gym (just 1 i remeberd it just now from high pully and do shoulder extision)
Second can you give me link of pic-video for lat driven exercise?
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Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:27 pm
by mohamed
Are this only exercise ?
And i think this kind of lat exercise for (intermediate-advanced) bodybuilder not to one need to gains in musclar size, this is right or no?

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:41 am
by Dub
Dumbell Pullovers also have a more straigth arm flexion emphasis, altough it is also a good exercise for chest:
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Bodybuilders use high volume rowing exercises and pulls most of the time. Also wider grip Deadlifts are a good lat-builder (They force the lats to work more).

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:56 am
by mohamed
And i think this kind of lat exercise for (intermediate-advanced) bodybuilder not to begainner, are this right or no?
Second thing you say it work when do wide grip deadlift , are you mean isometric contraction???

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:01 am
by Dub
mohamed wrote:And i think this kind of lat exercise for (intermediate-advanced) bodybuilder not to begainner, are this right or no?
Second thing you say it work when do wide grip deadlift , are you mean isometric contraction???
1. Well practically there is no "beginner" and advanced exercises. The point is to focus on feeling the movement in the rigth muscle, no matter how experienced. Beginners should in my opinion focus on bigger movements, but they can use isolation exercises to improve on weaknesses. Dumbell pullovers are a good exercise for generally anyone who has enough mobility in the shoulder and thoracic spine.

2. Yeah. Deadlifting in general has huge lat effort if you keep your form tight, because you have to keep the bar close to your body (Humeral flexion) and bend the bar as well (external rotation). Wider grip stretches the lats a bit, and involves longer range of motion and bigger joint angle, so it has more isometric work on the lat.

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:19 am
by mohamed
Yeah i mean it for begainner that almost of them come to increase muscle size
And finaly thx for help me

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:38 pm
by Jungledoc
There's no real point in targeting the lats specifically at your stage of the game. Focus on movements, and on big, compound exercises.

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:16 am
by mohamed
Jungledoc wrote:There's no real point in targeting the lats specifically at your stage of the game. Focus on movements, and on big, compound exercises.
Like i tell you before i want to be personal trainer so i search for collecting all information must i have

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:09 pm
by Jungledoc
And some of the information that you will need to understand is that a beginner does not need to target their lats.

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:10 am
by mohamed
Yeah, i know that beginner don't need to target specific muscle but must go away from isolated exercises as they can , and i know all this exercise best for intermidiate and advanced bodybuilder
I just ask this question to know why most of trainee don't do straight arm lat exercises and remeber now that most of trainee in beginner level
Second simple question i found one do exercise (i don't know it's name)
He grasp two high pully in cable cross machine (reverse) and do shoulder adduction
1- what the exercise name?
2- i think it isolate lat, are this right?
3- are any risk on this exercise?

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:15 am
by stuward
This sounds like an Iron Cross. Normally done on rings, you caan use cables to progress. It's an isolation exercise in that it's a single joint exercise but it does involve a lot of stabilizing muscles as well. It does target lats and has no particular risk.

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Most people use it as a chest exercise since the bottom of the movement heavily involved the chest, especially if you bring the cables forward as in the picture.

Re: lats exercises

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:11 pm
by mohamed
I don't mean this exercise
I mean hold the right pully with left hand , the left pully with right hand vertically above my head and pulling arms to horizantal