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ACSM Newsletters updated

Post by stuward » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:20 pm

I don't know if everyone keeps up on these but the winter editions of the ACSM newsletters are out.

http://www.acsm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Sec ... ified_News
http://www.acsm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Sec ... ciety_Page

The Fit Society newsletter's theme is "Healthy Eating" and the Certified News is about "Weight Management"

To a large extent these newsletters comprise "Conventional Wisdon" and are the primary references for personal trainers.

I haven't had the time to go through them all but I did read:
"ACSM recommends large muscle group aerobic
activities as the primary mode of exercise
for weight loss and weight maintenance, while
resistance training is adjunct therapy for the
obese"

Of course this is contrary to what Alwyn Cosgrove and others have been saying.

I'm sure there are other debatable points in here. I'd be interested to know what others think.

Stu

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Post by TimD » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:13 pm

Tks. Looking forward to looking through these. I will say this though; from what my experience has been, is that they are usually a bit behnd the times and reluctant to incorporate new views/theories.
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Post by pdellorto » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:27 pm

In the words of Grandpa Simpson, these things "angry up the bood."

10 exercises per workout, 3 sets of 8-12 reps, heavy weights are dangerous and bad for your bones and connective tissue, open-chain isolations like leg curls and leg extensions are to be emphasized while closed-chain compounds like squats and pushups are contraindicated.

That's a recipe that's been working so well for so long, why change it, right? What with everyone in the US being in such stellar physical condition.

Excuse me, I have to go deadlift bone-damaging heavy weights and do pushups now.

Peter

PS - By the way, thanks for posting them. They drive me nuts but it's nice to have someone post when they're updated.

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Post by Traps » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:03 am

Wow, does all ACSM trainers apply these guidelines to their clients?

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Post by Ironman » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:29 am

Ah, so that's what is wrong with those idiots. I knew they had to be getting it from somewhere. I'm sure there is something in there about using the swiss ball and pink 3 lbs dumbbells as much as possible.

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Post by stuward » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:43 am

This is good.

"The body has a
limit as to how much protein it needs, and if
you exceed that limit, the excess protein will
be converted to fat and stored on the body
!
Moreover, animal protein is also high in
saturated fat and cholesterol; too much could
lead to elevated blood lipid levels and
increased heart disease risk. There is currently
some disagreement over what the upper limit
to protein intake is, but the bulk of the
research suggests consuming no more than
1.8- 2.0 grams of protein per kilogram body
weight per day."

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Post by Ironman » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:17 pm

Wow, that's pretty funny. Very amusing when people make statements contrary to proven scientific fact.

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Post by Matt Z » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:58 pm

So, I'm supposed to believe that egg whites and grilled chicken breasts are loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat? Likewise, protein is only stored as fat if you're taking in more total calories than you're using.

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Post by stuward » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:43 pm

There is not even a proven link between saturated fat and cholesterol in the diet and heart disease anyway. It's just more bad science.

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Post by pdellorto » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:44 pm

Hmm....2.0 grams per kilo. I'm 83 kg, aka 183#. 2 x 83 = 166 grams per day of protein.

Usual weight training recommendation is 1g per pound. I'm 183#, so that's 183 grams per day.

Not exactly a huge difference, is it? I guess those extra 17 grams will kill me. ;)

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Post by Ironman » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:19 am

If any of it was true, I would be dead right now. I've consumed enough protein to kill a whole village of people.

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Post by Matt Z » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:38 pm

Not a huge difference except that 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is generally recomended as a MINIMUM protein intake, while they're listing 1.8-2.0 grams per kilogram as the MAXIMUM recomended intake.

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too much protein

Post by trainer Chris » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:24 am

you guys read to much flex magazine. if you talk to any educated dietition they will agree with 1.8-2g / kg. your body can only digest 20-35g of protein an hour. for me a 200 lb @ roughly 12 % bf i would have to eat 30-35g of protein 12x a day to get and aabsorb all your so called magazine reccomended protein intake. your body cant handle it. it jsut pisses the rest of it out. i take in roughly 150-200g of protein a day and my body is continually makeing noticalbe changes.

those magazines make money off you buying the products they sell. thats the botton line and thats why they say eat more protein and you have to suppliment with this brand protein powder.

oh and muscletech research is not real viable reaserch for protein intake.

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Post by Ironman » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:48 am

Actually rather than blindly follow anecdotal evidence by so called "experts", we have the silly habit of reading too much scientific research. We're a bunch pig-headed nit-pickers here that require properly conducted and documented experiments done with proper control and variable groups and a large random sample. We like things that start with a hypothesis and try to prove or disprove it, rather than start with the desired fact and then shape the experiment to get the desired results.


There is NO research on protein intake. So we have only anecdotal evidence to go on. However some people do have a large enough random sample to be sure of results, but it wasn't done in a controlled manor so we don't claim it as proof.

Here is where I got quite a bit of nutrition knowledge from.
http://www.johnberardi.com/

Who knows, maybe dr. Berardi has a secret stash or flex and musclemag.

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