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Proper Knob
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As noted in my location area, Virinia Beach, Va. USA. As to the weather, yes, it is cold. I have it better than most of you, but our daytime highs are just into the mid-upper 30's F degrees. I'd like to know where are this global warming is. The crazy thing was, when they had the summit in Kopenhauvn (Copenhage for you English speakers), they were in a major blizzard.
Tim
Tim
I agree with that statement. It's climate change/instability in general. Not necessarily warming, but changes in everything. I'm sure our industrial gasses, etc have something to do with it, but to what extent is unclear, and this cap and trade thing, taxing the hell out of us for co2 emmissions is insane. Whoops, I'm on a soapbox. Better get off.
Tim
Tim
people fighting over bread and milk in the shops. why do people think that they are going to survive on bread and milk????
I think that the climate just changes.
I do think that the climate change IS accelerated by human activity, but it ALSO is a normal change.
The earth has a dynamic climat, it doesn't stay the same all the time. don't remember for sure but in the 1100's there was a minor ice age, with very cold winters and summers.
And there also were/are warmer times with very warm winters and summers.
Polar ice is abnormal to exist on the earth, most of the time there is no ice on the earth (mind you, this is speaking about a span of billions of years), it is only normal that the ice would melt.
If this is melting is set in motion by human activity or not doesn't matter. It will happen now or over a hunderd or tens of thousands of years.
(Didn't "they" [as in wheater specialists] say some time ago that it's almost time for the next ice age? And would this cancel out the 'global warming'?)
PS: I'm from Antwerp, Belgium
I do think that the climate change IS accelerated by human activity, but it ALSO is a normal change.
The earth has a dynamic climat, it doesn't stay the same all the time. don't remember for sure but in the 1100's there was a minor ice age, with very cold winters and summers.
And there also were/are warmer times with very warm winters and summers.
Polar ice is abnormal to exist on the earth, most of the time there is no ice on the earth (mind you, this is speaking about a span of billions of years), it is only normal that the ice would melt.
If this is melting is set in motion by human activity or not doesn't matter. It will happen now or over a hunderd or tens of thousands of years.
(Didn't "they" [as in wheater specialists] say some time ago that it's almost time for the next ice age? And would this cancel out the 'global warming'?)
PS: I'm from Antwerp, Belgium
You can't compare the climate now to the climate throughout history. It's apples and oranges. For one the oxygen level was very different at different times depending on the evolution of life at the time. the climate goes through natural fluctuations, but we are making it worse.
Chances are though, the way we will fix this is to release something else into the atmosphere to counteract it. Reducing emissions will only do so much.
Chances are though, the way we will fix this is to release something else into the atmosphere to counteract it. Reducing emissions will only do so much.
Of course the climate fluctuates naturally, but since the Industrial revolution, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have jumped from about 275 ppm to 385 ppm. Other greenhouse gas levels show the same trend (methane: 750 ppb to 1750 ppb; nitrous oxide: 260 ppb to 320).
What a lot of people don't consider is that ozone is also a greenhouse gas, and by depleting it with CFC's and other chemicals we've actually masked some of the overall warming effect.
Of course all of this screws with weather circulation patterns as well as the ocean.
What a lot of people don't consider is that ozone is also a greenhouse gas, and by depleting it with CFC's and other chemicals we've actually masked some of the overall warming effect.
Of course all of this screws with weather circulation patterns as well as the ocean.
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Yes, climate is definitely changing. In Calcutta, we used to have moderate summers and winters (compared to Central India, say Delhi). But in the last few years, there is less difference between our climate and theirs. In fact starting this summer, we were as warm as Jaipur in Rajasthan, which is about 5-6 degrees higher.
Probably this is a global trend, but climatic patterns like El Nino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B ... scillation) have a lot to do with than global warming. As Tim says, The best place to see the actual warming is northern polar area where its effect is more visible.
Ran
Probably this is a global trend, but climatic patterns like El Nino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B ... scillation) have a lot to do with than global warming. As Tim says, The best place to see the actual warming is northern polar area where its effect is more visible.
Ran
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robertscott
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the weather in Scotland still sucksRan wrote:Yes, climate is definitely changing. In Calcutta, we used to have moderate summers and winters (compared to Central India, say Delhi). But in the last few years, there is less difference between our climate and theirs. In fact starting this summer, we were as warm as Jaipur in Rajasthan, which is about 5-6 degrees higher.
Probably this is a global trend, but climatic patterns like El Nino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B ... scillation) have a lot to do with than global warming. As Tim says, The best place to see the actual warming is northern polar area where its effect is more visible.
Ran
