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Training Fasted

Post by hoosegow » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:30 am

I tried to do some research, but I didn't find anything from a source I'd trust.
http://firthfitness.com/benefits-of-tra ... ted-state/

Here are some of the claims on that site:
Benefits of Short Term Fasting

1.Rests and reduces the workload on your digestive system
2.Allows the body time to cleanse and detox from harmful chemicals
3.Reduces the amount of free radicals, by reducing the number of meals consumed
4.Promotes mental clarity and focus
5.Fasting allow your body to soley rely on fats and sugars for fuel
6.Maximises the body’s ability to partition macro nutrients more effectively
7.Fasting has been shown to help your body heal.
8.Suppresses insulin levels allowing fat mobilisation to occur.
9.Fasting increases human growth hormone levels.


Does anyone know anything concrete on this?
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Re: Training Fasted

Post by stuward » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:46 am

There are smart people on both sides. This article likes to a study that shows that doing cardio fasted leads to better results. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/monday-m ... z1k6VgVGMc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't think anyone has really tested strength training.

Those benefits in the list you gave seem like speculation since they would be hard to test and irrelevant anyway. The only thing that matters are impact on health, performance, muscle and fat. Does anyone really can about the rest of it?
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Re: Training Fasted

Post by robertscott » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:25 pm

i did it for a while and really liked it. Dropped a bit of fat and gained a bit of muscle.

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by hoosegow » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:32 am

If it works, why isn't everyone doing it?
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Re: Training Fasted

Post by stuward » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:45 am

Some people work better on an empty stomach, some don't. I usually skip breakfast and almost always go to the gym on an empty stomach. I have no idea if it helps or hurts my progress but I suspect that it doesn't matter one way or the other. However, for some people, maybe it does.
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Re: Training Fasted

Post by Oscar_Actuary » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:16 pm

I think less peopple do it because food tastes really good.
I lost fat on "Eat Stop Eat", but also, progressed slower. I have trouble getting enough protein, especially in smaller windows.

I like doing it in small doses. I also train at differnt times so scheduling the fasting period is tough.

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by robertscott » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:31 pm

hoosegow wrote:If it works, why isn't everyone doing it?
good question. I think the whole "6 meals a day" thing is just too ingrained in people's psyche.

It depends on how you like to eat. I find it easier to eat 3 or 4 huge meals, as opposed to loads of little ones, so it suited me fine. I think some people struggle to hit their macros in such a small window (assuming the leangains 16/8 approach)

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by Ironman » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:56 am

Yea, I find the 6 meals thing questionable. It's not like a meal goes through your system at the same time regardless of size. The idea behind it seems to ignore the fact that gastric emptying happens at a particular rate. The more food you have in there, the longer this takes. You know how it is, you totally stuff yourself at the lunch buffet, and you're still a little full at dinner time.

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by Nevage » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:32 pm

I do it now and again and feel no difference in energy levels. I've been doing the leangains 16/8 and have lost bodyfat without even meaning to. Suits me perfectly, I often go long periods without eating, I always thought it was damaging progress when I was younger. When I eat, I tend to eat massive meals too. Tomorrow I'll be training on a protein shake and water after fasting all day because I'm having a shake before bed now. Normally I try eat around 10 so I can have lunch the next day.

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by JasonJones » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:01 pm

I've been training fasted with the leangains 16/8 much like Nevage for the past year now. I find that hunger pangs can at times make the idea of training seem more daunting, but once I actually start training I'm able to kick it into gear quite normally. It's had an effect on my ability to make gains rapidly (no doubt because it's difficult to pack 6 000 calories into only 8 hours) but I also didn't have to diet down any to look lean and athletic with my shirt off in Cuba. Hell, I ate a box of donuts waiting in the airport on my way down!

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by jeffrerr » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:30 pm

Hi guys, I'm thinking of trying this! After almost 12 months of calorie restricted dieting ad exercise to lose 25kg+ I'm finding that my will power/motivation to eat less is waning as I lift weights! I have a friend who is a personal trainer and has been doing Eat Stop Eat/Lean Gains "lifestyle" Since 2009 and has seen huge benefits! He blogs at http://www.jameskerrison.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;! Dude is strong, dead lifts 220kgx5 at 70kg bodyweight! I won a copy of the third ed. of Eat Stop Eat from Jame's website, will read it and give a review soon!

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by Red144 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:50 am

somewhat on topic:
Does anyone else find that they sweat more if they train fasted? on occasion, if i had a big dinner or something, i train fasted, since i workout within an hour or so of waking up; but i always pour sweat, everything is normal if i get some food in me though.

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by robertscott » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:37 am

Alan Aragorn did a pretty good write up of fasting

http://www.alanaragon.com/an-objective- ... sting.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Training Fasted

Post by Dub » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:04 pm

Talking about fasting. I read an interesting negative opinions about fasting from John Kiefer. Even if I don't maybe totally agree with him, it's good to have something to think about.
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http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/1299 ... ghts-over/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Training Fasted

Post by robertscott » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:18 pm

mark's daily apple have done a seven part series on fasting over the last few weeks.

He seems quite strongly in favour

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