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Quality Barbell

Post by emil3m » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:51 am

Is it worth the $$$?

Here's the basic info I dug up so far:
- Bend is good for olympic lifts, bad for bench/squat/deadlift/OHP
- Oly vs PL: knurl is understated vs "cheese grater" respectively (oly knurl marks are farther apart too)
- Center knurl MIA on Oly bars which is bad for low back squats-- is that REALLY true? that center knurl keeps it from sliding?

Burgener & Rippetoe Bar would have been perfect had it not been bare steel--people really hate the effort of keeping the rust away.

Here is a narrowed down selection--any thoughts?

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by hoosegow » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:08 pm

Westside
Thanks TimD.

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by robertscott » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:19 am

I don't think it'll really make that much difference. Just buy the cheapest one

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by Kenny Croxdale » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:30 am

emil3m wrote:Is it worth the $$$?

Here's the basic info I dug up so far:
- Bend is good for olympic lifts, bad for bench/squat/deadlift/OHP
- Oly vs PL: knurl is understated vs "cheese grater" respectively (oly knurl marks are farther apart too)
- Center knurl MIA on Oly bars which is bad for low back squats-- is that REALLY true? that center knurl keeps it from sliding?

Burgener & Rippetoe Bar would have been perfect had it not been bare steel--people really hate the effort of keeping the rust away.

Here is a narrowed down selection--any thoughts?

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Olympic Weightlifting Bar

1) More flex in the bar with heavier loads. This allows you to produce some recoil in in the jerk, as per a weightlifting buddy of mine.

Ironcially, I used an Olympic Weightlifting Bar for squatting long ago. In performing a bounce out of the hole, I caught the whip wrong.

Whip Deload

With a slight drop, bar flexes downward with the weight on the end of the bar. As you then drive up, the downward whip shift to an upward whip.

If you catch the whip right, upward momentum actually deloads (decrease the real weight on the bar), allowing you to drive up with the weight.

Whip Overload

If you catch the whip wrong, their is a downward whip which increased the force (weight) on the bar.

Thus, in the hole position when I was at my weakest biomechanical position, I inadvertently, OVERLOADED the weight on the bar.

I ended up having my ass slammed into the pins on the Power Rack.

Bar Whip

What you want for squat and bench press movement is a stiff bar, powerlifting bar.

2) No center knurling, as I remember.

Powerlifting Bar

1) Ridig, no real flex to the bar.

2) Deadlift Bar. The exception to the rule is the deadlift bar. It has some flex to it. That allows you to initiate some movement before encourtering the full load.

It like getting a running start going up a hill.

3) Knurling in the middle of the bar.

Many 1200 lb rated bars don't have the knurling in the middle of the bar.

Most 1500 Powerlifting bars do have knurling in the middle.

Tensil Strength

This provide you with a general idea of the weight capacity of the bar.

RobertScott

I am a proponent of buying a 1500 lb bar, if it's in your budget.

However, like Robert stated, the cheaper of the lot works for most.

Troy Bar

One of the best values is the Troy Barbell. Rogue either is selling it or will be selling it in the near future.

Bar's Listed

None of the bars you listed are manufactured by any of the individuals or companies you listed. They purchase bars from companies such as Troy.

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by Tuco » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:43 am

I have the B&R bar, and I use it in an attached garage. It is definitely getting a nice patina on it - I want to say I got it about 3 years ago but I can't recall for sure. I would not call it rusty. Knurl is fantastic and diameter is very comfortable. I use it for standard "movement" style lifts and power variants of oly lifts, and it is great. It is straight as an arrow, and I have had to dump on pins quite a few times. I don't use bumpers but I am not gentle on it when I DL or when I'm doing the oly moves.

IMO, a barbell is a tool and is meant to be used, not to look shiny and beautiful every day - and raw steel does feel really good in your hands. The ritual of rubbing it down with some 3-in-1 every week or so is actually kind of nice, like a knight sharpening his sword. Most worthwhile things in this world require some upkeep.

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by emil3m » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:22 pm

Thank you for all the replies! I decided to shell out the $$$. Ever since main lifts replaced nearly everything I do with weights, I have sold the powertec half-rack with lat tower and was about to buy the Westside cage (really liked the idea of such close safety spacing to save both the ribs and the ROM) from Rogue.
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Robert, getting another sears-type bar just felt wrong :)

Kenny, thanks for the breakdown - I realized that a very stiff PL bar is the best way to go.

Hoosegow, the westside was out of stock, so I got the York Power Bar. Oddly, Rogue calls it USA PB, but it's in fact the old-school York 32004 and it is drop-shipped directly from York, PA (it's easy to overlook as just a gimmicky named bar, but it's the real deal). My research showed that it's much stronger than anything in the $300 range.

Tuco, thank you for the insight on your B&R bar. It actually made me more comfortable with the choice as York manufactures the B&R!
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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by Nevage » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:23 am

It seriously costs [1 million dollars] for a bar?

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by emil3m » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:02 am

Nevage wrote:It seriously costs [1 million dollars] for a bar?
It's possible to buy a used one from Craiglist, but you gotta get lucky. I sold my generic barbell for $100 after 4 years of use.

From what I saw, any barbell that is 28-29mm and is made of half-decent steel will be over $250. Maybe I did not do enough digging...
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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by robertscott » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:11 am

Nevage wrote:It seriously costs [1 million dollars] for a bar?
dude, google "Eleiko"

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by emil3m » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:30 am

robertscott wrote:
Nevage wrote:It seriously costs [1 million dollars] for a bar?
dude, google "Eleiko"
A few trainers in my local gym said that the affordable ones came bent from the factory or became bent after dropping on safeties with very moderate weight. Poliquin actually has a promo video on youtube saying that the bars are meant to be bent or to bend, because they target dynamic olympic lifts.

Most Eleiko bars I saw in passing on various websites retail for 500-1000 USD.

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by Nevage » Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:29 am

This would do me:

http://www.fitness-superstore.co.uk/wei ... gn=Froogle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't even know how much my olympic bar costed originally, bought it from an uncle about 10 years ago along with an amount of weights that I still haven't out grown!

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Re: Quality Barbell

Post by Oscar_Actuary » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:14 am

now we're talking

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